hello I know not that much about Aikido, though it has intersted me since I read a book about an englishman who trained the senshusei riot police aikido course called "Angry white pajamas" I learned afterwards that it is thought to be quite biased and disrespectfull. Though i think some of the info in it about techniques etc were probably true. My question is this, Why is Aikido not more present in UFC/MMA. It seems to be a very effective grappling art, and seems to be effective as the riot police in tokyo train it , and it is taught to some body guards. Is it simply because UFC is not well thaught of in Aikido circles. Or is it because the governing body do not allow them to?
Not a stupid question and don't put yourself down like that. Ignorant is when you're given the answer and still don't learn.
You are begging for a flame war with such a thread. If you are interested in aikido check out koyo's book thread here on MAP. Dave Ruben who wrote Angry White Pyjamas is a friend and tells it like it was/should be NOT the fantasies that many others adhere to.
I agree with Moi, don't ask you don't learn. I can't think of anyone of the top of my head but I'd be surprised if some fighters haven't trained in aikido a bit. Other arts might be more suitable for MMA but generally fighters don't use a single style anyway.
apologies koyo. did not mean to start anything. Just repeating what I heard. You can lock the thread now if you wish any passing moderator.
No apology needed..best NOT to repeat what you have heard better to seek out the best instruction you can get and decide for yourself.
I don't wish to lock it unless it gets out of hand and turns into a flame war. Personally I'm curious if there are any MMA fighters with a background in aikido, I read Angry White Pajamas a while ago so I'd like to see if it is reasonably applicable as an art in this kind of competition.
Aikido is a self defence art and demands alot on small joint attacks that are not allowed in competition. Today many aikido teachers attempt to teach aikido to control aggression which is near impossible against a powerfull attaker and certainly has no place in copetition. Atemi and pr-emptive moves have all but been lost as more and more modern "teachers" are after the money and numbers.In a serious fight ..striking is 90% of aikido. In the early days we HAD to cross train and do circuit training to survive the practices. The tai sabaki entering and avoidance body movement are perfect for competition BUT not nearly enough aikidoka are encouraged to cross train.
I thought it was a good book. I enjoyed it a lot and it sparked some interest in Aikido for me (alas, like anything else, too much desire and not enough time). As for MMA, it's not really designed for that purpose so it probably wouldn't be too appropriate. I know there's some risky techniques in Aikido that your opponent needs good ukemi for otherwise they could be really badly injured. I suppose someone could modify those to a more sporting type event but if they wanted to fight MMA they'd be a lot better off training in a "sport" martial art.
I'm just rereading angry white pjamas , i wasn't aware of any controversy , although i can see how some toes may have been trodden on.
Dave told me about the guys being completely knackererd and dying on their feet when being told that the next session was cancelled to which unashamedly they yelled "Yes".. Only to be told it was because Shioda kanshi had died...Oh dear!!! I have experienced the same "disrespect" for aikido when I took a Japanese sensei aside and told him I would have him there and then if he touched another Scottish girl in an inapropriate manner. We live in different worlds now a days. Disrespect often means not toeing the "official" line. Edit Moi you got to check out Centurian it is an ancient Scottich version of the Warriors out on DVD next weak. The women are terrifying.
Sorry to correct you, Koyo, but Angry White Pyjamas was written by Robert Twigger, not Dave Rubens. In fact I beleive that Rubens Sensei was not in Japan at that point (based on the conversations we had with him when we trained at his dojo with Kancho Sensei back in May) My Sensei, Paul Stephens was one of the instructors on the Senshusei course that Twigger completed (discribed as the tall policeman from the UK). The general consensus of Twiggers book from those who were on the course is that he was there to write a story about the training rather than seriously invest in the training. He used a lot of stories that weren't his and took credit. A good book which I have read, but to be taken with a grain of salt and to realise he was a journalist looking for a story.
Thanks Buddy you are correct I was thinking of the last book I had been given on Yoseikan Aikido..that was interpretated by Dave, God don't get old. Edit Hey moi the little blonde one is a ringer for mrs koyo but not quite as crazy.
No stupid questions here I'm sure it has already been stated, but aikido in its purest form is non-competitive. Other than that, MMA/UFC does not allow wrist joint locks.
