Things I wish I'd known when I started training

Discussion in 'Newbie Questions' started by Frodocious, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    ok thnx but make sure you read the parts of my comment that say, personally,I and prefer. i didnt wright quik evry1 do wat im doing. its obvious to me youve not read my comment as i said i do bodybuild but at the same time i do MA its up to people to find for themselves what they want and what works. for me bodybuilding and MA has been good top strength and speed
     
  2. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    well if thats the case then m8 i must have never started benching 20 kilos then to move onto 100 kilos it was all a blur
     
  3. Frodocious

    Frodocious She who MUST be obeyed! Moderator Supporter

    MAP is an english language forum and we request that all posts are in English. Please don't use text speak in your posts.

    This thread is for martial artists wishing to start strength training, not bodybuilders. Therefore the information in it is aimed at providing the best and most effective (and time efficient) methods of increasing strength for the purpose of martial arts and that is compound weightlifting with heavy free weights, not machines or isolation exercises. Machines often put the body in disadvantageous/unnatural positions which means their carryover to real life movements aren't as good as that of free weights.
     
  4. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    yes i do understand that i do freeweights myself. as i said in my first post
     
  5. seiken steve

    seiken steve golden member

    Yeah, but posting something like that on a beginners lifting section isn't ideal is it mate?

    Strength and speed training is strength and speed training, bodybuilding is bodybuilding.
    For more scientific explination see jabby's post, as for me I have a non alcoholic low carb pint and a pub full of mates to get too, chat tomorrow.

    X
     
  6. Jabby Mcgee

    Jabby Mcgee Valued Member

    It is the case, based on extensive quantifiable, verifiable research. The fact that you can bench 100 kilos doesn't take anything away from that.

    That's not to say that there isn't a corellation between strength and size. Working within 90% of you one rep max range causes failure to occur before a growth stimulus has been sent to the cells, so, you can get stronger, but not necessarily much bigger. On the other hand, high rep training produces high levels of phosphate and hydrogen ions, which enhance the growth process.

    Current research suggests that heavy lifting enhances neural efficiency which enhances strength, but does not necessarily result in muscular growth. But, working inbetween high rep training and heavy weight training can provide a common groundwhere a certain amount of strength is built along with a certain amount of muscle - this is not optimum for powerlifting or bodybulding, per se, but is the best of both worlds.

    The point Im trying to make is that there is a vast difference between bodybuilding and strength training. Whilst there may be an overlap, the definitions of both are very different. this is fairly self evident when you compare the physique a bodybuilder to the physique of a powerlifter.
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2011
  7. 36chambers

    36chambers Valued Member

    its not the fact that i can bench one hundred kilos your correct. its the fact of the distance and strenght gain between twenty kilos and one hundred kilos doin a mixture of wat i did. now i know i made a mistake on a beginners thread but i think its fair to say you have all misread my original post . as im new to the website myself but not in training thanks for your very scientific approach good night:)
     
  8. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x

    Don't worry mate because of the wealth of knowledge here you can get very precise answers. As it happens I've just started lifting and I'm doing what you're advising knowing it's not the best way but it sure is the easiest way to start. As time has gone on more free weights seem to be calling but machines sure help at the beginning :)
     
  9. Jabby Mcgee

    Jabby Mcgee Valued Member

    Fair enough. peace :Angel:
     
  10. Plimft

    Plimft Valued Member

    How about:

    - sitting on the internet googling exercise programs does not equate to time spent training

    - balancing out your diet doesn't just mean taking supplements

    - balancing out your diet cannot be done by cutting out entire foodgroups, that's why it's called a balanced diet

    - carbs are your friend, no matter what that silverback in the gym says. Sure, he can bench 400lbs, but he does 3 reps then he's spent

    - body building and strength training are two completely different things. Learn the difference. Remember the difference. Apply this knowledge to your goals

    - many personal trainers don't know what they're talking about

    - even more websites don't know what they're talking about

    - if you do something, and it works, then it works. It doesn't matter that the latest fad training regime swears against it, there's not greater proof than results

    I know some of these have already been covered, but I thought I'd mention them again just because I'd forgotten which had been covered and which hadn't. I'm sure I've still got many many many many many entries to add to my list! Which brings me to the next one:

    - accept that you don't know everything. Every program has room for improvement!

    And the last one:

    - buy a kettlebell! It'll be the best thing you ever do!!!!!

    Osu,

    Matt
     
  11. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    You can quite easily cut out food rich in sugar and fat as well as dairy and cereals - potatoes and yams are good alternative carbs.

    The guy can only bench 400lb for 3 reps because he might still be progressing or its the way that hes training that limits him. with guys at that level the problem has little to do with nutrition.

    a kettle bell is just the newest fad promoted by personal trainers. its useful and great tool but like you said following the latest fad in training is silly.

    This is great advice:
    everyone should do this. so many people jump program after the first week
     
  12. Plimft

    Plimft Valued Member

    Zaad -

    When I talk about diet, it's about mistakes I made when I was starting out. With regards to balanced diets and food groups, you're right, taking a more moderate approach to what you take in is a good one, cutting out sugars etc is not cutting carbs, it's just cutting the types or carbs that don't particularly do much good.

    As for the 400lbs benching guy, he was a guy I was talking to in the gym who was telling me I should cut out all carbs, he was a big guy and ripped, but had very little stamina or staying power. He wasn't training with the same goals as me, which is why his advice wasn't compatible with how I was training, but that didn't stop him giving it, hence the 'some people don't know what they're taking about' advice listed also.

    And as for the kettlebell, see the 'if something works, stick with it' point. I blame Pavel. His Power to the People program was good, but his Enter the Kettlebell was brilliant. A fad? Perhaps. Results? Definitley. And that's all I really care about. They're not for everyone. They can be boring, and if you don't pay attention, they can be dangerous. But I love them, and they work.

    Osu,

    Matt
     
  13. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

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  14. Plimft

    Plimft Valued Member

    Zaad -

    Enter the Kettlebell, by Pavel Tsatsouline.

    It's the mutts. Like I say, they're not for everyone. Pavel himself states that his programs and approach aren't entertaining. I believe his quote is something along the lines of "if you want to be entertained, go to the movies. If you want to get fitter and stronger then follow my program." But it's hard work. Like I say, they're not for everyone, but if you can get on with them I don't think you'll look back.

    If you don't want to give up the barbell though, Power To The People, also by Pavel, is an awesome book. Both well worth a look.

    As an aside, what I will say about Pavel is that alot of his training programs are ideally suited to MA training. They build strength and conditioning without hampering flexibility.

    All that said though, I don't half miss squats and deads...

    Osu,

    Matt
     
  15. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    you dont squat and dead? :cry:
    does Power To The People have Deads in?
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2011
  16. Plimft

    Plimft Valued Member

    Power to the People does indeed have deads in it. It's all deads and bench presses. When you get into it a bit more you can introduce pull ups and side presses.

    Nope, no deads or squats for me :(

    Osu,

    Matt
     
  17. Frodocious

    Frodocious She who MUST be obeyed! Moderator Supporter

    Guys, please don't clog up this thread with back and forth banter. Start another thread or take it to pm. We are trying to keep this thread as something people can read easily through, not have to jump around spammy chatter type posts.
     
  18. tkd_warrior

    tkd_warrior New Member

    I wish I should have invested time into my mental conditioning. I just recently found out that it is very helpful especially if there are a lot of distractions and pressure.
     
  19. lokigoddess

    lokigoddess New Member

    Yes. I was training in 2000 mostly, although partly a few years later too. I regret that I was not forewarned about my hormone levels influencing even yin activity such as stretching. In 2000, I was post abortive, and my hormones influenced a veinous injury when stretching.
    Probably would affect post pregnancy too! So watch out as I felt a pain in my right leg when stretching the hamstrings and the vein popped out of my leg a bit and has remained that way ever since, but it has increased with further hormonal fluctuations in 2007, when I had a burst cyst in the right ovary.

     
  20. robin101

    robin101 Working the always shift.

    I wish people had told me

    1: Having a black belt does NOT make you a killing machine
    2: Usually the big muscular guys are there to prove something
    3: full contact sports focus more on stamina , personal fitness and willpower than exact technique
    4: Your friends if they find out you are studying whatever martial arts will assume you think you are tough as nails
     

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