Making your hands and arms more shock-resistant.

Discussion in 'Injuries and Prevention' started by Creon, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. Creon

    Creon New Member

    Last night, I miss-timed a breakfall and landed on the palm of my hand instead of the usual mat-slap. This hurt and hurts like buggery but nothing is broken and I can still function. (Indeed I'm typing with this hand right now.)

    U need MOAR breakfall practice, N00b!!! you will doubtless say at this point. Well durr. But that's not my question.

    Still, it made me wonder. Given that I'll be doing lots of mae ukemi during my Judo career, being able to strengthen the palms, wrists and forearms to absorb impacts (by accident or design) would be really useful. Does anyone have any tips on this one?
     
  2. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    More musckels. Stop being such a chub chub and get some man meat one ye. :D
     
  3. SoKKlab

    SoKKlab The Cwtch of Death!

    Yes that'll help - Get you used to impact.

    You can
    A) Slap your own body parts hard...

    B) Get some Thai Pads and beat yourself senseless with them

    C) Pick up and drop a hefty punchbag on different raised limbs etc. This'll get you used to impact

    D) You can also use a hefty medicine ball and blam that into you too

    E) Learn some Systema to enhance your Judo - Their breakfall, rolling and 'coping with floor' drills are pretty mega as they don't train on mats

    Just some ideas. There's more but any or some of these may help...Oh and doing more Breakfalls too :hat:

    Good Luck
     
  4. righty

    righty Valued Member

    You are never going to be able to strengthen your bones, particularly those in the arm enough to avoid injury as a result of falling badly and breakfalling poorly.

    So yes, more breakfalls and better breakfalls are your only option.

    What you can also train in proprioception in terms of falling. This is just fancy talk for learning how to unconsciously move your body into a position when falling that enables you to breakfall properly or at least avoid injury as much as possible.
     
  5. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Theres 3 things that will help -

    breakfall practise, lift weights, More breakfall practise.
     
  6. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    The more you breakfall the less you break on a fall
     
  7. Creon

    Creon New Member

    Thanks for (most of) the replies so far.

    Just to clarify, obviously being able to breakfall is the ideal, but we all flubb once in a while. As such, I'm interested in strengthening my forearms, wrists etc. as an extra level of protection.

    Given the senior ranks in my club who go around with limps and injured arms, legs etc., I'm inclined to think that toughening these areas in and of themselves would be helpful.
     
  8. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    Tai Chi has some decent conditioning drills that you can do.

    I do have a concern over the senior students walking around injured. Good training shouldn't leave you injured.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdoNeaEUjQE"]Neijia-Conditioning - YouTube[/ame]
     
  9. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    Cool clip, Simon :) Not seen that before!
     
  10. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    Breakfall practice to improve your falling, good diet and weightlifting to reduce your risk of injury if/when you get it wrong.
     
  11. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    I went to a tai Chi seminar hosted by Simon Watson. Getting bumped by him is like being bumped by a truck.
    I'm sure you've "felt" people like this yourself.

    I use a similar type of principle for any shoulder hits I do.

    Many, many years ago we did arm conditioning drills like this in Kung Fu class.
     
  12. Creon

    Creon New Member

    Thanks! Duly noted.

    Well, it depends on what training we're talking about. Having done some BJJ and Judo, as well as known a few Tomiki Akidoka, I know the Randori will always be unpredictable and injuries will happen. I'm always a bit bruised and scuffed after a session. Resisting opponents can and do throw you about a lot.

    It would be much worse, of course, without the breakfalls and mats.
     
    Last edited: Jun 8, 2013
  13. Creon

    Creon New Member

    Out of interest, what sort of diet do you recommend?
     
  14. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    That's very difficult to answer without knowing a lot more about you.

    As a general rule though the diet should be clean. By that we mean it shouldn't be full of junk food.

    Remember that food is fuel, so your diet should be able to fuel your day to day activities and workouts.

    Before the food can do that it has to maintain your BMR (basic metabolic rate). This is core temperature, skin, teeth, hair, muscles etc.

    As important as diet is good hydration and rest/sleep.

    It's a basic triangle. Training/diet & hydration/sleep.

    Fail in the diet or sleep and the training will suffer.

    A food log can help. Keep a record of exactly what you eat and drink for an entire week.

    Each morning you can see you your sleep was affected by what you ate, how your energy is through the day and how easy you got through the workout in the evening.
     
  15. John Titchen

    John Titchen Still Learning Supporter

    It does depend on what training you are doing: intensity, frequency, your age etc.

    In summary though you should be looking at the very least to be getting RDA of vitamins, minerals, essential fats and proteins along with enough carbohydrate to keep you feeling okay - preferably from home prepared meals using fresh ingredients.

    Your bone density will vary according to your genetics, your sex, your age, and the weight loading you put upon it. Weight lifting improves bone density and strengthens surrounding tissue, and the body heals better from this and other exercise if it is given the right building blocks. This will reduce the likelihood of injury.
     
  16. RobP

    RobP Valued Member

    For me the best method to avoid inury when falling is learning to blend as much as possible with the floor - that's more about being soft and supple than tough. I've done a lot of arm conditioning in the past, I never found it that helpful in falling. This clip is more about rolling, but that's the foundation of a lot of falling work, I hope you find a couple of useful ideas in it, there are some other good clips around too

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIlft3bXyRQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIlft3bXyRQ[/ame]
     
  17. GojuBrian

    GojuBrian Valued Member

    We weren't made to absorb falls and shocks all the time. You will get use to it, and ofcourse proper technique helps a lot.
    One thing I dislike about Judo, too much impact on my body, ugh/...
     
  18. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    After awhile, you get used to the impact. With time and more experience, the degree of impact is lessened
     
  19. GojuBrian

    GojuBrian Valued Member

    That's essentially what I said. :rolleyes:
     
  20. 47MartialMan

    47MartialMan Valued Member

    Hmmmn, you were stating that you dislike Judo for having too much impact.

    I was stating in support of Judo :confused:
     

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