Creatine and Side-Effects

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by Gray, Jan 5, 2006.

  1. mai tai

    mai tai Valued Member

    ouch!!!!
    i would believe him since he is a doctor, has no real reason to lie, while i was under him he always was reading studies, the claims were not earth shattering or outside of what most people experence, and most doctors would not probalby knowingly pass false info on to a student....

    if so our medical education is in trouble

    the only reason i didnt just say i read a study is ...the info was second hand...and in the name of honesty put a disclamer up...

    that and i couldnt remeber all the details
     
  2. mai tai

    mai tai Valued Member


    this is pure speculation but i would guess that the initial gains are from water retention....but that would increase you leverages and allow you to push more steel.....causing over time an increase in muscle mass.....and thats why the gains would be permenent........but im not sure ?????

    wait for adam.....he know
     
  3. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    everyone reacts differently to different substances. Even tough creatine is naturally produced in our body you are introducing a much larger quantity. In fact i clearly remember first time i tried creatine my heart was not beating normally for two days, after which i stoped. Later i tried again and had no problems. Maybe its those are linked maybe not... But its deff not 100 % side effects free for all people thats a fact.
     
  4. Colin Linz

    Colin Linz Valued Member

    It is speculation, but speculation built by the monitoring and training of a lot of elite athletes, as well as the conducting of a lot of double blind studies. One of their concerns is that there are very little sport specific studies done on creatine. The AIS has done a number of studies themselves, excerpts of these can be read on their site and you can purchase the complete papers if you want.
     
  5. mai tai

    mai tai Valued Member

    colin do you have the link?
     
  6. Colin Linz

    Colin Linz Valued Member

    This is the home page http://www.ais.org.au/ this is the sports science and medicine page, http://www.ais.org.au/sssm/index.asp use the search function for any reports on research you are interested in. They also have a number of fact sheets on supplements too.
     
  7. Unisonus

    Unisonus Bloody Rare, Please

    Actually, as soon as I started taking creatine, my favorite TV was canceled. I'm not making that mistake again.
     
  8. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    is that suppose to be ha-ha funny?
     
  9. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    I thought it was pretty hilarious! :D

    If you load with creatine you will get water gains, but if you just take it 3-5g a day then you won't have those problems. The main strength gains are in the ATP regeneration so you can basically work a little bit harder. It also helps many people with recovery, including me.

    There is zero evidence of any kind of proven side effects with creatine, unless it is over-dosed or taken without proper hydration and nutrition. If anyone would like to show it to me, please do. It is the single most researched sports supplement around. Long term studies have shown zero side effects and toxicity. Some people don't respond too well but usually have more success with CEE. The benefits of it besides sport performance are also very favourable.
     
  10. Hiroji

    Hiroji laugh often, love much

    Can i just point out that diet has nothing to do with acne. I had it real bad in my younger teens. I went to the doc who then sent me to a skin specialist who BOTH said that acne is not caused by your diet in anyway. I was so down at one point i did change my diet totally and it was just as bad.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2006
  11. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    That's a great point. Although there are some people out there who believe that diet may have SOME influence on acne, it is generally thought to be minimal if at all.
     
  12. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Actually that’s not true at all. Just like evidences concerning creatine - almost everything points out that diet has nothing to do with acnes. However, there are things such as chocolate (cacao), sweets, and excess fat, which CAN and DO cause some people to explode in acnes. For me fro example , its alcohol. Any and every time I have a drink I get at least a zit on my face next morning. So yeah, diet has an effect on your acnes.
     
  13. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    Thing with alcohol is, you generally get a hormonal response. There is increased LH which leads to increased test that could cause the spots. Don't start drinking like mad though, because it is only a temporary increase. It's something like that anyway, that's why you get rather "excitable" when drinking and the next morning!
     
  14. Unisonus

    Unisonus Bloody Rare, Please

    These seems like an instance of the "Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc " fallacy. That is, the assumption that if one event follows another, the latter must have caused the former.

    It is difficult to identify the affects of any supplement on an anecdotal basis because supplement usage might coincide with changes that the user made to his/her diet and exercise regimen (this, coupled with the fact that even previous changes in diet might have gradually actuated changes in bodily disposition). For this reason, controlled studies are the only reliable means of ascertaining the affects of any supplement.
     
  15. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Lol, fallacy.....
    Like i said, diet might affect your acnes. Controlled study is necessary for everything, but it doesn't guarantee its results are universal for everyone. Simple as that. I KNOW some close friends of mine who get acnes and zits every time they eat chocolate. Each and every time. Do I need to wait for a study to "confirm" what I see and what I know? No.
    If you notice you get acnes after certain food, then it's simply because it might be causing it.
     
  16. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    Can you eliminate placebo effect through anecdotal evidence? No. Can you eliminate certain ingredients in different foodstuffs by anecdotal evidence? No. Can you have cause for concern with certain foodstuffs? Yes. You cannot however say "creatine definitely causes this because when I take it I get spots and when I stop they go away" when there is an almost infinite amount of primary literature saying that it does not have any side effects. It could be anything from the brand specific formula to dosage, from impurities to again, placebo effect. This is why we have primary literature, to eliminate all the variables and witness the exact effect of that precise substance/action. Yes, it might have some kind of side effects in a very tiny minority of cases, but this is just the same as eating any kind of food - there is always someone who is allergic or cannot tolerate it for some reason or another.

    Although nobody expects you to explain the exact scientific mechanism, there must be some kind of link between said chocolate and sebum secretions. Any clues? I haven't. Could it partly be the influence of the myth about eating sweet stuff giving you spots? You can't say it isn't.
     
  17. Frogman316

    Frogman316 New Member

    Never had.....

    ..side effects from creatine, other than extreame weight gain. Which is why I bought it.
     
  18. Hiroji

    Hiroji laugh often, love much

    Ahh thats it though. There is a difference between a few teenage spots and acne.
     
  19. JKD_forever

    JKD_forever DEADLIFT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, thats my point exaclty. Nothing more, nothing less.

    That's not a myth. Thats a fact, some people get acnes if they eat cacao. Cacao has been known to give some people acnes.
     
  20. harhar

    harhar I hate semaphores

    cacao or cocoa?
     

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