So Happy about this Video

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Pretty In Pink, Mar 5, 2017.

  1. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Am I seeing a different video to the rest of you? Or am I missing some sarcasm tags? I'm seriously not getting what people are excited about by that video.
     
  2. Giovanni

    Giovanni nefarious editor Supporter

    it's interesting in that he's trying to perform the techniques with a bit more of a "pressure" veneer. i liked the irimi nage stuff at the end of the video the best.
     
  3. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    Yeah you must've clicked on the wrong video :/
     
  4. aikiMac

    aikiMac boxing is fun Moderator Supporter

    Granted he's bigger than his training partners, but all the same, in the opening 68 seconds he uses something that is recognizable as an aikido wrist lock (we call them kotegaeshi and nikkyo) five times to get a dominant grappling position.
     
  5. Giovanni

    Giovanni nefarious editor Supporter

    i've used the principles of ikkyo in my bjj rolling, especially from the open guard when someone is trying to pass my said guard. i've had someone kotegaeshi me while rolling--a purple belt did it to me. the principles of irimi nage are most evident with something like an arm drag, but this applies not only to bjj, but wrestling.
     
  6. Giovanni

    Giovanni nefarious editor Supporter

    if you look chadderz, the principles are everywhere. you mention you want "brazilian aikido". well you already have it--i believe.
     
  7. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Turns out I was watching a different video (or part of it) The original link starts at three minutes something, when all there is to see is a load of essentially compliant drills.
     
  8. Giovanni

    Giovanni nefarious editor Supporter

    i liked that part the best lol, because it showed how one would use irimi. but you're right, compliant drills.

    another example of the principle of irimi in bjj action i think is arm triangle choke.
     
  9. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Nice to see this vid - even getting some success with gloves on
     
  10. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Just adding that I'm not sure why people lump wrist locks into the "low percentage" category
    Of course they are better used as part of a broader technique/chain, more appropriate with a jacket on and strikes help a lot in the set up, but I use them quite often in BJJ rolling

    In the vid he's using them pretty effectively effectively to disrupt even with gloves on. And, in my view, if he either dropped his weight more or stepped further away he'd have thrown with a few of those that he bailed out of
     
  11. aikiMac

    aikiMac boxing is fun Moderator Supporter

    Agreed! And he'd be safer from a broader fighting/self-defense perspective. Sure, in context, this was a friendly training session obviously under a sport grappling ruleset. That's totally fine. But on the "street" maybe the opponent would have a knife in his other hand, and if he did -- in this video he was clearly close enough to cut/stab as he fell. Even without a knife, he could have punched the bigger guy in the face, or poked his eyes like the Three Stooges.

    But that can be corrected by stepping backwards on an appropriate angle so as to stretch out the uke's arm (the guy who is falling is uke) and also lowering the wrist by lowering your own weight. Together, that reduces joint flexibility, making it more likely that he'll go down (and making him go down faster and harder :evil:), and it also reduces the chance of his other hand reaching you in any way.
     
  12. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Valued Member

    Right let's not get carried away guys. This went from sparring to knife fighting pretty damn quick.
     
  13. bassai

    bassai onwards and upwards ! Moderator Supporter

    I suspect it's down to the prevalence of all the "grab my wrist" type videos that are portrayed as valid self defence.
    Wrist locks are perfectly viable/useful within context and as part of a larger skill set imo.
     
  14. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Agreed

    I also think that, for various reasons, they tend to be trained in unpressured contexts so not many people develop the level of skill required to apply them
     
  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool the merc with the mouth

    which Wlocks do you get most success with? and in what positions?
     
  16. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    If this was what you were looking for then you just needed to come to my close range classes :D
     
  17. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    There's a separate thread on this in the BJJ forum & I train the locks a little differently from Aikido so I don't want to derail this thread

    But I've found similar techniques to the two forms that he uses in the video work quite well
     

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