How do you view Atemi?

Best Aikido video ever.

 

I agree with all those and especially that one^. I know a lot of guys who can make Aikido look amazing but if they took even the slightest blow it'd probably cause a freeze mainly because it's so new to them. Even letting someone put on a pair of gloves and having them try to strike you is good training imo.

I love watching their vids. I've seen a few people talk down on their style but I appreciate the direction they've headed and the intensity of their training.


Here is another video. Nice to see how some techniques carry over when you get a little more live. That and, like above, they're training under more realistic conditions.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZyUub1Jn3Y"]Mark 1st kyu test,randomstrikes against 1 attacker.3gp - YouTube[/ame]

 

The one thing that stands out in that video above is that the tori/nage is always moving. No toe to toe always turning even while defending, very important. People may have issues with the attacks but, most people on the street are not skilled punchers, if anything I would have like to see more attacks in it rather than rests inbetween. but at east it takes him out his comfort zone

 

I was hoping I could ask this question and redirect the conversation in this thread instead of making a new one...

When doing work with the Jo and Bokken, all the strikes and cuts seem to be much more offensive than defensive. I don't see much use for a sweep that's intended for defense. Thoughts?

 

You're making the mistake of mentally separating the two. There is no defensive movement in reality. There's just 'not getting injured' while trying to injure your opponent. The only time anything is truly defensive is if you're only blocking and not attacking, in which case you're an idiot.

 

I guess in Aikido that makes sense and one should always 'give the return' or at least be attempting to take the initiative at any given time during a violent encounter, but I wouldn't consider taking a purely defensive approach idiotic especially considering that conditions may not allow for a proper attack while simultaneously defending (depending on your style).

 

It may help if you don't think of "attacking or defending" as a dichotomy, or even an accurate way of envisaging a response to an assault.

An alternate way of thinking about it may be that your response could either:

1/ take the initiative
2/ neutralise the attacker's initiative, essentially setting up a reset
3/ cede to the attacker's initiative

bo and jo techniques (I can only recall the 13-count jo kata to any great degree these days) fit best with 1/ for the most part, or 2/ on occasion, never 3/.

FWIW.

 

Here's another video I found interesting:


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJUkHZkJMik"]Aikido Atemi Waza Historical Perspectives - YouTube[/ame]


And another one. I just find the transition from Aikido to groundwork pretty interesting as well as some of the takedowns but it seems they're straying a little far from Aikido. Either way, still nice to see different perspectives of the art.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ4XXdNpHs4&list=UUldp7VJmiJO_6en46aAPeQA&index=2"]Mixed Martial Aikido (Hiriki Aikido) - YouTube[/ame]

 

This one also caught my interest. Their stance and even strikes are very pugilistic in nature.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ojVp0J4vo"]Aikido Kankukan - Atemi Waza - YouTube[/ame]

 

Great description on the principle of Atemi by Stan Pranin

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In this video I posted earlier, at :15, :28-:26, 1:21 and all throughout the video, they use that technique but I haven't seen it often at all. I think I read someone else that it's called "Rokyo?" but every search that combines "rokyo" and "aikido" always redirects me to Tokyo. -_-

It's not really relevant to this thread but I'd love to practice it... just don't know the name or what style(s) it's used by.

 

It's a bit hard to see in the video. It looks like they're doing nikkyo then changing to kotegaeshi depending on how the uke resists.

Roku is the number 6. So I assume rokyo would simply be the sixth technique or form. Which is probably why you can't find a reference to it on-line. It's not a common name for a specific technique.

 

That explains why I've never seen it. Thanks for the clarification.

Here's a video were it's referred to as "rokkyo" again. Was this ever taught by O'sensei or was this adapted by other Aikidoka?

http://www.martialartstube.net/rokkyo/

Thanks for the further explanation.

 

Nice! Didn't know it was that broad of a technique but I love it's efficiency and it's practicality. Also blends well with Aikido. I love the way the guy in the first video transitions to it.

 

I've been told that another name for rokyo (and the name that our organisation uses) is ude kime osae and googling shows that a third name is hiji kime osae. Quite a nice tanto technique, and as I discovered the other week, can incorporate yonkyo too (in the gokyo grasp).

 

In old Kodokan terminology thats called waki gatame (side lock) or tai gatame ude kujiki (body locked arm breaking) if taken to the floor.

The guy in the second video isnt doing it all that well, the pressure needs to be angled toward ukes heels, so swinging your far shoulder away from uke is exactly what you dont want to do.

I've seen this in a few different Aikido books, its a. awesome lock - one of my favourites

 

Oh and in Yoseikan Aikido its called hiji hidaki

 

you for real? or are you an imposter pretending to practice ki aikido and STILL say you regard it as ineffective? seems counter intuitive. "mind screw"? never heard of anyone use that phrase post 1995.

if not I apologise but seriously suggest you change school!