Now that I'm back home full time, I'm able to attend Aikido regularly. The more I do,the more I enjoy it and the more curious I've become of more traditional Japanese art forms. I will probably never get the opportunity to experience any of these martial arts but maybe I can live vicariously threw you guys. We know that aikido is influenced by other arts like daito ryu but how does it compare to other arts like Fudoshin ryu, katori Shinto ryu, and other traditional arts? Would you be at a disadvantage coming from aikido (unlearning bad habits) or at a greater advantage? I'm looking at you aikimat.
Fudoshin Ryu isn't a Koryu… and the question is far too vague to give any real answer. There is a connection between Aikido and Katori Shinto Ryu in the Sugino Dojo, not in the Otake Dojo. But really, there isn't any single answer… some arts will have similarities, others won't… and those with similarities might be the ones that have the larger disadvantages, as you slip out of one system into the other, which means you're doing neither… which is rather a cardinal sin when dealing with Koryu… If you're enjoying Aikido, great. If you want to pursue others, great… however, each art really should be looked at as it's own single methodology.
You are correct, i don't know why i thought it was. :hammer: I don't understand this? Why would having similarities to one art indicated a disadvantage over one that has no similarities? I can't speak from experience but Diato Ryu seems (from a spectators point of view) have many similarities to aikido (considering o sensei spent time in Diato Ryu its not surprising that aikido was influenced by it). Why would Daito Ryu have a disadvantage over an art that had no influence over aikido?
Yeah, I understand that it's not an easy thing to get your head around, particularly early on in your martial career… the thing is, martial arts are not their techniques. The techniques are the physical expression of what the art really is… but what it really is is an approach to certain types of problems… it's a particular attitude, and mentality. So, while the techniques might be fairly similar, almost identical in cases (such as Daito Ryu and Aikido), the method of expressing them can be quite different… in Daito Ryu, for instance, there isn't really the concern about the attackers well-being that there can be in Aikido… so the way of applying the techniques can be far more "brutal" in a sense. To do Aikido techniques with the attitude of Daito Ryu is to not be doing Aikido, and vice versa.
That's depends on what flavour/style of Aikido your doing, certainly within Traditional Yoshinkan and Iwama they are very connected to Daito ryu and are far less interested in Uke having lovely Ukemi. There is Aikido out there that is so far removed from Daito ryu that its just dancing and Ukemi
So moving away from aikido for a second and extending it to the buj/ X-kan. Later in your practice do choose to focus on/ master any specific ryu?
I think what you mean to ask is how aikido compares to a full system? Koryu means it is pre 1860 or so. Compared o a full system you wont have as much or as diverse weapon training. But I don't really know what to say other than this really...
Not all Koryu are sogo bujutsu, comprehensive systems, i don't think he's asking that. Also there's a little more to koryu that just predating a certain point in time.
Well, I know some of them are not bujutsu but since someone mentioned katori shinto ryu I thought he might mean that. From what I gather there are gendai and koryu martial arts whose separation is in time. There is the point of the koryu being battle tested (not sure if that is what you meant) but are there any other differences? Not trying to be a smartass or step on anyone's toes btw. Since I am using my phone my posts can get a bit confusing but I really am just asking.
Rather than me going widely off topic I recomend you look here. http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=132 http://www.koryu.com/library/titles.html
Some old schools might have movements not far from aikido and doing akido at the same time might not be a hindrance and might be a good thing. Then on the other side there is actually schools that would prefer that you don't have a history of aikido because it is a hindrance. It depends. You cant draw a general line through different old schools. Kendo has roots predating 1868, it is still a gendai ma though. It does not have the structure of a koryu. It evolved out of an old school with others, as a way to test yourself, and is now a sport in its own right, like judo. Dean said 'sogo' bujutsu. You could say all of them are bujutsu, but not all of them are sogo bujutsu. Sogo being that the school has several weapons that you might encounter, grappling with weapons, swimming with armor, archery, oral tradition, written tradition, magic spells etc. But some of the koryu might just specialize in a few things, like iai.
Sorry if my question hasn't been quite as clear as it could be. I'm still learning and some of the terminology is still foggy to me. Essentially I just trying to stir up a bit of conversation on a topic I'm interested in (that learning thing). I know their are still a few koryu that are being practiced I just wanted to know how they would relate to Aikido or witch koryu would relate best to Aikido. Sounds like it's a bit of a loaded question that is difficult to answer. Sorry for that and I Blaim it on my inexperience. I guess another way to word this would be if I wanted to expand on my aikido training while trying to persu a more traditional path what style would you take?
In Koryu terms - "sogo bujutsu" means a little more than learning multiple arts (sword, archery, grappling etc) under the banner of one school. More importantly, it is how these various combative methods correspond with each other. In a nutshell, the same underlying principles of movement and application used within the swordsmanship element of the school for example will (or should at least) transmit through to the armed and unarmed grappling section of the school's syllabus. As I understand it - sogo bujutsu tend to be sword centric in this respect. This is what Dean means by comprehensive I think. Given this as a starter - maybe this might help in terms of pitching Aikido alongside some traditional Koryu.
Actually I would go longer and say that one school is one art, not made up by several. I almost got in to that in the previous post, but dropped it.
Are you willing to move around the globe? If not you would have to figure out what is closest to you and pick what you think is closest to aikido. I have no idea what would fit with your aikido in terms of koryu though.
Reading from the first link Dean Winchester gave me (thank you very much!) it had an article there where it mentions the connection between Aikido and Kashima-Shinto-Ryu. Also, as others said, Katori-Shinto-Ryu also has an aikido connection in Sugino school. Daito-Ryu although not a koryu per se, it is a collection of older and newer styles and it has the closest connection to Aikido. I have a Sugino dojo next to where I am living and I am giving it a try. Though the teacher has only been practicing for ten years and does not teach outside the weapons techniques (so we get a watered down version of the Koryu compared to the full system of strategy, tactics, medicine and so on). I would love to try Kashima-Shinto-Ryu and Daito-Ryu but since I lack the funds to travel around the world I do what is closer to me...
Great News. I train Yoseikan Aikido which contains Katori. Nice. Oh and karate strikes are used. Oh there's jujutsu also and judo.
