MasL, I was not told to drop anything regarding Renzo Gracie. Your MrTruth,as you called him was a Guy who Heard that Renzo did not Break his knee,He Reinjured it in the street altercation. (LOL,Doing the Same stupid Move) Wasn't I the one who posted that I could not remember what Pride event Renzo on that he was to fight in and ended up as a commentator on instead with a cast on his leg. Hear Renzo Himself Talk about Breaking his knee and How he did it during an attempted shoot to the attackers legs on the streets of NY on Pride ,Bushido III. Wasn't that where another poster on that Forum said it was MasL? MasL, Now you claim you never posted your rank?LOL Now you claim Black Tag,LOL Remember I told you I read ALL the pages of crap on that ITF Forum. You said You got to Red Belt in TKD and for your next promotion you were supposed to break A BOARD and Failed. (what was the rank structure when/where you trained,Red to black or Red to BROWN then to Black??LOL) You had hinted that you trained in the 70's,UKTF,did they have TAGS Then?? LOL (I don't think so,lol) You did not get promoted and you then began to reevaluate TKD,the People running it and the requirements. You said why is Breaking so Important it is not needed for the street and you then set about to hitting a hanging bag at your local Club/Center. (are we playing word games now with the term Leisure center?) MasL, You didn't even have the follow through and or Mindset to make it to Black Belt. I have never Failed anything in my life and I have done alot,unlike yourself. You are the Master of research,Thank God for Computers. You are THEORY ,No Fact that is why you quote and tell of history as you could not tell/post of practical use or applications of TKD or any Fighting art. Do the People on the threads you post on here know you are a Nobody,an OLD Colored Belt,LOL? (you try to come across as ranked with an authority others should respect right? Like when you tried that crap on me on the ITF forum,LOL) I see you have established your garbage ways on this site as you have on other sites,people already asking for threads to be closed due to you. Wonder how long you will last here. How many forums you been kicked off of?? LOL Remember as people who remember you from the ITF Forum have told you,these sites are not like there,you will post your garbage for so long then you will be Gone. Hey you came on this thread Why not tell us about throws favored in a Clinch or anything you have done or dream of doing in a Clinch in a Real Fight? LOL (We will never hear a point of view on a practical application question,will we?LOL) Still using the free computer at the Library?