What styles work the best to defend against ju juitsu?

Discussion in 'Other Styles' started by Nimrook, Nov 10, 2003.

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  1. Nimrook

    Nimrook New Member

    I realized that ju juitsu teaches you alot about how to use subs, chokes, and how to get out of said techniques. But is there any style that can help you to avoid the dangers of ju juitsu all together?
     
    Nimrook, Nov 10, 2003
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  2. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    Yeah - JJ :D

    Ahem...

    To defend against something you need to understand it. You would need an art that understands those moves - submission grappling maybe.
     
    YODA, Nov 10, 2003
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  3. SPAWNPAIN

    SPAWNPAIN New Member

    :p If want to win in a fight against an specific art, you have to know the art, understand its moves and know the opponent's mind, look in to his eyes only once to know what kind of figher he is, after that look in the midle of his chest to guess his movements, focus on that point ( middle of the chest always ) saty relax and cool and you will win on every art if you want to. ( thats what the teory says :p ) i've never practiced it on the streets before but in kumite it is very usefull.

    :( unfortunally you can't win all the battles but learn from every situation in your life and your art will improve.


    NOTE: i'm not saying i can win every fighter in this forum ;) maybe one if i'm lucky :D
     
    SPAWNPAIN, Nov 10, 2003
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  4. natxanadu

    natxanadu Banned Banned

    only jujutsu beats jujutsu, thats what my instructor tells me anyway
     
    natxanadu, Nov 10, 2003
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  5. Sub zero

    Sub zero Valued Member


    :eek:

    That score a little bitty high on the close minded-o-meter me thinks.
     
    Sub zero, Nov 11, 2003
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  6. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    Yeah, to be honest anyone specialising in one range can beat a jujutsu student as long as they know to keep at that range. Someone who specialises at striking will probably beat a jujutsuka at striking, but if closed down will find themselves outclassed at grappling. Even that's a gross generalisation.

    It's been pointed out on the forum before: It's not the art that wins fights, it's the fighter. Everyone has a different fighting style, even 2 students training under the same instructor for the same length of time.
     
    Aegis, Nov 11, 2003
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  7. morphus

    morphus Doobrey

    Got to be Ju Jitsu.;)
     
    morphus, Nov 11, 2003
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  8. SoKKlab

    SoKKlab The Cwtch of Death!

    If you are talking about Brasilian Jiu Jitsu then any art with comparable skill sets/ ideology such as:

    Sombo
    Catch Wrestling

    but the question is a bit like 'how long's a piece of string?'

    Answer: Infinite...
     
    SoKKlab, Nov 12, 2003
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  9. labeledas

    labeledas Valued Member

    have rubber joints
     
    labeledas, Nov 12, 2003
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  10. Sub zero

    Sub zero Valued Member

    Twice half it's length
    :D
     
    Sub zero, Nov 12, 2003
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  11. Jim

    Jim New Member

    I know I'm gunna regret this... Capoeria
     
    Jim, Nov 13, 2003
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  12. xplasma

    xplasma Banned Banned


    I going to take that as a joke. I have fought a capoeria guy, with ninpo and BJJ . I was at a "fight party" and the local capoeria club was invited. The first time I fought I had the capeoria gus in a rear naked choke in 20 secs. And that is cause he was dancing for 10 seconds of it while I just watched.

    Capoeria = dancing or game

    Capoeria as a fighting style goes with Tai Chi and Tae Bo as fighting styles.
     
    xplasma, Nov 14, 2003
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  13. Jim

    Jim New Member

    Really? I wouldn't know... * Looks at feet and whistles innocently.
     
    Jim, Nov 14, 2003
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  14. Sub zero

    Sub zero Valued Member


    Obvisouly you have never thaught a real tai chi exponent. I'l admit i thaught the same until i had the chance to spar with one of them.

    You get alot of tai chi clubs focussing on helth benefits (which there are but they don't even teach them correctly) and totaly leave the martial side ot. Which in my experince is very, very effectice.

    Tai bo is a cardio vascular exercise and to m knowledge was never intned to be a combat system. But some people take it as one.
     
    Sub zero, Nov 14, 2003
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  15. J-kid

    J-kid New Member

    other grappling arts and of course jujitsu
     
    J-kid, Nov 15, 2003
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  16. littlebird

    littlebird New Member

    Given an enclosed clear arena and certain "civil" rules like in the UFC, the grappler takes away the tools of the other fighters,
    and reduces them to grappling.

    If however the other fighter understands the attacks of the grappler (he doesn't have to master them) and he is a superior athlete at his own method, he may beat the grappler.

    In a gang, or street fight, or a bar room, the grappler's advantages are reduced considerably.
    If the opponent has simple weapons (not guns of course) the grappler is at a disadvantage because in closing he presents his body to the edge of a blade, or the poke of a stick/point, or a sharp corner.
    Likewise against more than 1 the grappler is at a disadvantage because he must close on 1, and the other is not prohibited from strong powerful blows.

    Even with say 3 grapplers against 4 men, there will be 1 opponent free to say "roundhouse" each grappler in turn as they clinch with their opponent.

    For further illumination, say a "striker" and a grappler are in a UFC situation and each may have if they desire two pieces of a broken glass bottle like might be found on a street. It changes entirely the situation. The grappler's advantage is to cling, but then he can be cut. Of course the grappler may cut the opponent as well, but he is not grappling then!

    littlebird
     
    littlebird, Dec 11, 2003
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  17. Aegis

    Aegis River Guardian Admin Supporter

    You have a somewhat flawed view of grappling, especially with regard to multiple opponents. A lot of grappling styles don't clinch, they get inside an opponent's guard, use him as a shield if necessary, throw to the ground and stamp to finish, still keeping the one opponent between themself and the other(s). This is often very quickly done so that the time taken to deal with the first opponent is as quick as, if not quicker than a striker. As a striker you have to worry about your powerful fight-finishing technique glancing off your opponent rather than doing its job, in this case you're left with the original number of opponents with one already inside your optimum striking range.

    In reality, a combination of striking and grappling is going to be needed for any multiple attacker situation, or any situation involving weapons. Just striking or just grappling will eventually leave you at a range you can't fight at.
     
    Aegis, Dec 11, 2003
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  18. littlebird

    littlebird New Member

    Aegis, I essentially can agree with most of what you said, and still feel my points were valid.

    My examples were for clarification of weaknesses, AND pointing out how the rules and/or the situations handicap a "pure" style.

    OF COURSE If a man, be he grappler, or striker or dancer, or anywhere in between can throw his opponent to the ground or into another opponent QUICKLY then what the heck? HE WILL WIN EASILY, ANYWAY, ANY METHOD!
     
    littlebird, Dec 11, 2003
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  19. Syd

    Syd 1/2 Dan in Origami

    Don't knock Tai-Bo man! I'm getting my black belt grading in it next week and I'm already a 1st Dan in Origami!
     
    Syd, Dec 14, 2003
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  20. LovernotFighter

    LovernotFighter New Member

    oh i know

    its called Loaded-.22-do
     
    LovernotFighter, Jan 4, 2004
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