Weapons?

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Tintin, Mar 13, 2002.

  1. Spike

    Spike New Member

    If not all the techniques then as near enough as makes no odds. In so far as I understand it. All the moves do look like someone with a weapon, I can`t think of one which doesn`t
     
  2. JediMasterChris

    JediMasterChris Columbo


    Some of the grappling moves don't resemble weapons. :D
     
  3. Sonshu

    Sonshu Buzz me on facebook

    No they dont grapple in Aikido

    :D

    I would have said the atemi are the only parts of Aikido that resemble sword cuts as they are mostly shuto based, hence the cutting blades efect.

    I find that weapon training is important but there needs to be an element of weapon sparing to just polish things a little more.

    SONSHU
     
  4. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    How about Nikkio and Tenchi Nage, how do they relate to weapons?

    Col
     
  5. Tintin

    Tintin Cats: All your base...

    Nikkyo is a control against someone making a grab for a sword still sheathed at your belt.

    Tenchi nage - the upper hand ('ten') moves in a slight arc over the opponents shoulder, exactly the same as one of the movements from the 3rd set of tegatana doza (sorry for those non-Shodokan typed that probably have no idea what I'm talking about.) All the tegata doza come form sword cuts.
     
  6. Sonshu

    Sonshu Buzz me on facebook

    True

    However there are much MUCH better defences from a sword grab than Nikkyo.

    You could use it but there are other easier defences would you not agree?

    SONSHU
     
  7. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    canonical form does

    Maybe so, but a whole lot of them do.

    Nikyo, sankyo, and kote-gaeshi are defenses against someone grabbing your sword, and you are cutting him at the same time.

    Yonkyo is the proper way to hold and cut with a sword.

    Sheo-nage is sword cuts against several attackers.

    Kaiten-nage is a sequence of cuts with the sword.

    The canonical forms of irimi-nage and kokyu-nage come from sword kata. You are moving around the attacker and cutting him.

    That there is a good chunk of the basic techniques. My brain overloaded when I saw all this demonstrated. It was "wow" moment.
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2003
  8. Spike

    Spike New Member

    Don`t get me started on you! ;)



    Huh? I got your clip, thanks for that, couldn`t get it to play so I`m gonna go on Kaza and find it myself and then I shall return to discuss this. Since I really have to see what you thikn of as aikido, as it seems to differ very much from my opinion
    to be continued dot dot dot

    I thikn what Martin means is Nikkyo is one of the classic defences from someone grabbing your wrist to stop you drawing your sword in which case a cheeky little nikkyo is one of the easiest and most effective techniques I think
     
  9. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter

    I find a good smack in the face works wonders if someone tries to grab my weapon (fnaar fnaar)
     
  10. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    You wouldn't have that problem if you didn't wear lycra........

    .....ooohhheeerrrr! :)
     
  11. YODA

    YODA The Woofing Admin Supporter


    LOL! That's ok then 'cos I won't be wearing any for a while LOL!
     
  12. Sonshu

    Sonshu Buzz me on facebook

    Nikkyo

    I would just draw the sword.

    Lots of people mention about not being able to draw a Katana if someone grabs your wrist. You just change the draw!

    Its easy and instead of the Nikkyo I would just cut em with the sword!

    If you have it use it.

    SONSHU
     
  13. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    But I don't, have a Katana that is! ;)
     
  14. Sonshu

    Sonshu Buzz me on facebook

    And you would be lost as well

    The real ones have a scabbard as well!

    :D

    SONSHU
     
  15. Spike

    Spike New Member

    How do you mean "change the draw"?
     
  16. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Could I hit them with the scabbard as well? :D

    Col
     
  17. Spike

    Spike New Member

    That was Colin "Freeform" Stewart.

    Edinburgh`s spokesman for "The Way of Harmony"
     
  18. Sonshu

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    I would always use the scabard

    If only to block with!

    When people grab your wrist instead of powering the draw out, if the person is stronger than you, step back and bring the draw out at an angle that is closer to you.

    The blade will cut the neck or if you can get back far enough it cuts the offending hand. It is just a natural movement that will alow the draw to come free irrispective of the grab to the sword arm and also as the draw is done it cuts its target - NICE!

    SONSHU
     
  19. Spike

    Spike New Member

    If the person is stronger than you, they`ll pin your hand to your stomach, won`t they?
     
  20. Sonshu

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    I thought you Aikido people were masters of movement

    Step back into stance and just draw the hand away from you and it works.

    Try it!

    SONSHU
     

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