US Election

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by Taff, Nov 4, 2008.


Who do you think will win the election?

Poll closed Nov 6, 2008.
  1. John McCain

    4 vote(s)
  2. Barack Obama

    24 vote(s)
  1. Llamageddon

    Llamageddon MAP's weird cousin Supporter

    Damn, you got there before me.

    On that note I'm off to bed. I hope I wake up to change.
  2. shinbushi

    shinbushi Reaver

    1st who cares about global reputation and why should we punish the productive members of society and give benefits to the losers in life, the 40% who don't pay any income tax. In the US many 250K group are sole proprietorship mom and pop businesses, who will hire less. And actually under Bush the government took in more $$ by taxing less, but his administration acted like drunk sailors and spend like crazy and grew the government by 40%. Both my state of CA and the US needs to spend LESS. People need to realize that the government:bang: is not here to take of you, Americans used to believe in self-reliance. Welcome to crappy European style socialism.:bang::bang::bang:
  3. Topher

    Topher allo!

    Why are they losers?
  4. Lame Leopard

    Lame Leopard Valued Member

    It is very apparent from the returns so far that President Obama will take office in January.
  5. Topher

    Topher allo!

    Yep... currently 124 vs. 200. You add to that the 55 for California and Obama is almost at 270.
  6. old palden

    old palden Valued Member

    Say it loud!!!

    I'm black! And I'm proud!!!
  7. shinbushi

    shinbushi Reaver

    Because if they are in the bottom of society they made back choices in life.
  8. Topher

    Topher allo!

    How do you work that one out? This is typical right-wing bs. :rolleyes:

    Wealth and class are certainly not an indicator of success or whether people deserve what they have. Many are born into poverty; others have less opportunities through no through of their own. Then you have those who are born into wealth and success, and have great of opportunities. Neither are inherently deserving of the position they are in. It's far to simplistic to say those at he bottom of society have themselves to blame, while thsoe at the top must have work hard to get themselves there.
  9. Flinty

    Flinty aspiring nak muay

    obama win by ko
  10. old palden

    old palden Valued Member

    Ladies and Gentlemen,
    The President of the United States...........

  11. Taff

    Taff The Inevitable Hulk


    Sometimes true, sometimes not.

    One of my central problems with politics is that you have to generalise, and generalisations mask the truth.
  12. Banpen Fugyo

    Banpen Fugyo 10000 Changes No Surprise

    Hes not president yet....

    If i were him, I'd hide in my house and not come out until January... Then 10 min before getting sworn in, I'd sprint over to that bible, say "I swear to be a good president" and run back home.

    Too many crazy rednecks dont want to him to take office. I can hear the shotguns being loaded and smell the whiskey from here.
  13. DaeHanL

    DaeHanL FortuneCracker

    i think american citizens wouldn't get so PO'd about paying more in taxes if they felt like the money they were giving up was actually being spent intelligently. I already give up (nearly a third of my income) plenty, so I only ask the gov. take the sting out of having it taken by using it wisely. Welfare reform would be nice too, lol.
  14. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    What policy is this?

    No he's saying it based on reality and past experience. There is no figure on politicians claims during their campaigns vs. what actually gets implemented, but most of the things that American politicians say they will do never gets done, and not necessarily because the politician doesn't try to accomplish them, but due to the realities of the American political system.

    Joe Biden did say that they would cut taxes for folks earning 150K or less.

    [ame=""]YouTube - Biden Changes Tax Policy! Now Obama Campaign Considers "The Rich" to be Those Making $150k+[/ame]

    I'm not a politician. So I don't know. Not off the top of my head anyway.

    That article has some good points in it at the very end, but at the end of the day I don't believe the solution to the economic problems in the US will be solved by further overspending in the federal government. It weakens the dollar. It puts us under the thumb of the Chinese via the sale of savings bonds.

    You need a history lesson. Please qualify what you mean by "all the problems."

    Just so you know, the war in Iraq didn't "start" under his watch. It was continued under his watch, and the original war that started under his father was preceded by propping up Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war.
  15. Taff

    Taff The Inevitable Hulk

    If I were him, just for a laugh, I'd ask to take the oath on the Koran. That would be a riot.
  16. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    Yes. Yes it would.

  17. Hiroji

    Hiroji laugh often, love much

    I think Barack and everyone who voted should enjoy this moment, a moment of seeming change and maybe a better future, its what people need.

    Sadly i dont see it getting much better, too many greedy racist people the world over still.
  18. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    I'm not optimistic.
  19. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    I'm not optimistic.
  20. Topher

    Topher allo!

    Errr, the very policy we're discussing: tax remains the same for under 250k; tax gets lower for those under 200k.

    If this is the case, then it's no thought of Obama is it. Regardless of whether it gets done, he is in my view making the right choices. People should be voting on the issues themselves, not on whether they might be achievable.

    Well maybe that was a mistake on his part, he probably meant to say 250k. Or maybe he defines middles class as earning below 150k.

    Yes, it did. It was Bush and his cronies who decided to go to war in 2003. No one else. Yes, the political issues between Iraq, the US and Europe span for a long time, but the current war itself was a Bush problem.

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