Traditional Korean Martial Arts

Discussion in 'Kuk Sool' started by SsangKall, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    a cool vid i saw that made me think about jeon tong mu ye (traditional martial arts):

    [ame=""]YouTube - Korean_Martial_Arts_Sippalki_ArirangTV[/ame]

  2. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    this one is another group called mu sul won out of los angeles, but more of the praying mantis ship pal gi type:

    [ame=""]YouTube - Double Broadsword Moo Sool Won[/ame]

    this user (twmaf) has many videos on youtube displaying another side of the tkma coin
  3. Bruce W Sims

    Bruce W Sims Banned Banned

    I personally advocate strongly for greater recognition of these traditions.

    Best Wishes,


    KIWEST Revalued Mapper

    I think that these videos show that there is a ot more to KMA than some would have us believe. Nice find SsangKall
  5. Bruce W Sims

    Bruce W Sims Banned Banned

    On many, many occasions I have made the case that common arts such as TKD, TSD and HKD are relatively new, and all stand on the shoulders of much older practices. Usually the response was something along the lines of the old Japanese Occupation propaganda that all Korean traditions died before or during the Occupation. We can see from the clips that no matter how ignored these traditions may have been they did not die-out entirely. I firmly believe that the Koreans need to take some time and reflect on these traditions, add definition to their structure and pedagogy, standardize the presentation and make a concerted effort to pass these practices on to the next generation. Its not a matter of how "combat worthy" these practices may be in an era of "hot weapons". What matters is that these are cultural artifacts worth preserving. FWIW.

    Best Wishes,

  6. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

  7. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

  8. Hyeongsa

    Hyeongsa The Duelist

    Now THOSE forms look familiar.....
  9. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    was showing our cjn some vids i saw on youtube a while back and got a chilling response. i played this vid on my iphone (no title visible)
    [ame=""]YouTube - Dragon Form[/ame]

    and all i got was a long silence, "hmmmm, he knows yong? hahaha" and a "let me see more". i showed him the rest and he said that these were a few of the animals. now in structure i see a similarity in movement in sam bang cho (see his tiger form, too) and even ship ja/jung geup hyeong. watch his style... it is hung fist from guangdong, but it is noticiably more kjms/ksw than, let's say

    [ame=""]YouTube - 7* Mui Hua Quan[/ame]

    the author of the first vid is interestingly from a lineage that goes back to taiwan (brought in the 1940's), where the 5 animal and shaolin hong quan of guangdong's Lin Jia Kun.

    another form with some similarities is in his instructor's instructor's form
  10. Bruce W Sims

    Bruce W Sims Banned Banned

    Ok....this begs a question....but I am concerned that it might start some sort of arguement and that isn't what I am looking for, 'kay?

    In many of these same posts I keep reading about similarities between KS and HRD material and Southern traditions. At the same time I am reading about the possible northern connection between Chinese and Korean practices. That noted, would it not be more accurate for people wanting to preserve Korean traditions to focus on Northern Chinese rather than Southern Chinese traditions? Are folks adopting the Southern traditions simply because that was the most convenient? Thoughts?

    BTW: For your consideration......

    [ame=""]YouTube - Northern Praying Mantis KungFu Methods[/ame]

    Best Wishes,

    Last edited: Feb 25, 2011
  11. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    while these forms and techniques are great, what this has in relation to what we do is faaaaaaar less visible than that of the southern traditions. what does this mean to me? what purpose is there in delving into something completely different than what we study? does the theory complement or contradict our syllabus?

    sometimes i get the funny feeling that as an outsider looking in, it would be easier to switch methods, but for somebody invested in a particular approach to martial arts (or 'theatre', whatever jargon to boost up or shoot down what we do) it is not so easy a task. i am not even sure if it is a venue worth pursuing. shippalgi has plenty to offer in terms of traditional weapons, daitoryu and chin na gave alot to our techniques, but as far as our forms curriculum, i do not see any need for change/addition from northern open hand traditions. it is simply unnecessary. we have our own jase seogi, we have our own build up of open-handed forms curriculum material. weapons... lacking. open handed material... almost too much allready.

    i am not fighting, i am simply wondering if besides being historically accurate, is there any REASON for someone to study supplementary open-handed material when their heads are full allready.
  12. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    maybe we should start a shippalgi forum?
  13. MACA

    MACA Valued Member

    I had never seen any northern praying mantis before, and I must say that there is a lot in common! like it
  14. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    you are not talking about the forms, are you?
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    jamesdevice Jötunn

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  16. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    ssireum; traditional korean folk wrestling.
    [ame=""]YouTube - SSireum Korean Wrestling History[/ame]
  17. Bruce W Sims

    Bruce W Sims Banned Banned

    Actually I agree whole-heartedly. If people have invested money, time and resources in pursuing a MA career in a particular approach I see no reason for them to do anything different. From my POV, my only interest is in how what is being done by a given group is represented.

    In the case of KUK SOOL in the tradition of SUH In Hyuk its pretty plain to me that this is a constructed practice which hopes, at some future date, to be the representational Korean Martial Art. And, up to that point I have no problems whatsoever.

    My problems come up when KUK SOOL people invoke past histories as though there is some lineal connection.

    My problem is when KUK SOOL people represent that what they do is the essential Korean practice.

    Now, we can spend a couple of lifetimes picking at KUK SOOL for not being what it says it is
    we can make some suggestions about how to make KUK SOOL more like what it says it is. This last option is where I thought the thread was headed. Was I mistaken?

    Best Wishes,

  18. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    you are 100% correct, sir. what i am beginning see though is that it is a fool's errand to simply add the material we see being presented. it just seems easier for me to say 'i teach ____ mu sul/ye/do as taught to me by ______" and leave it at that. since my teacher doesnt claim his methods were passed down or are remnants of anything... at least he never sold ME that line.

    now if i studied 7*, shipalgi, or hong ga i would simply say that and keep it seperate, and not even think of mixing the material.
  19. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    same master, but something that would totally fit in our syllabus

    [ame=""]YouTube - Kao Tao Sheng 高é“生[/ame]
  20. SsangKall

    SsangKall Valued Member

    this one has some great stuff. towards the end there is dung pae action:
    [ame=""]YouTube - Traditional Martial Arts - South Korea[/ame]

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