The Technique Thread

That's like saying an oizuki is a jab - essentially the same idea but very different in application

They are not redundant in unarmed if you can do them properly - I have ended several "live" encounters with them, but I always use them as set ups rather than finishers and it is only the effect that determined the outcome rather than the intention itself

 

Fair enough.

The way I see it, if the arm is in a position to strike it, you've almost always got a preferable target on the body or head to go for (in regards to extending to hit with the fist - putting knees or elbows in the way of an attack as a simultaneous block/attack is a different story).

This changes with weapons, obviously.

Not sure what you mean by the by the bit in bold.

 

Not always you don't, especially against an opponent of any quality - it is linked to the concept of "defanging the snake". Against a weapon going for the body and head is not a good idea if they are still armed - removing that threat first makes finishing a lot easier

Try and get in on a boxer and they will annihilate you (assuming they box better than you of course, which unless you have actually boxed they will)...however, if you strike out at their weapon you remove their ability to attack with it

Jack Johnson was known for punching the biceps of opponents in matches to weaken them over the long run

 

Unless there is a huge difference in arm length, if they are trying to hit your head or body then you can hit theirs.

Yes, good points.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovr12bHRYn8

My old Instructor showing them done with a bit more pep

 

Which is exactly the problem - see above

 

I will film the "HAVOC hook" gunting for you tonight...you will love it

 

Yeah, as I said, weapons are a different story.

By the same token, if they are a good boxer then it will be exponentially harder to catch their arm with a strike while it's extended.

I can see it as a lower-force option, but I see long-term weakening as more of a thing to play with in sparring, rather than an efficient way to deal with someone.

Don't get me wrong, it's a lot of fun seeing people squirm when you do it in sparring, but it isn't high on my list when it comes to dealing with being assaulted.

Of course, I fully accept that could well be training specialisation bias talking.

 

It's also a lack of experience/ability with these techniques that is making it difficult for you - the speed of the boxer is not what makes work...there is a "key" to it

Equally it is not a "quick fix" technique that is easy to pick up, but when you have it down pat thats a different story - there are several kung fu styles that have a similar tactic: I teach one within my system that actually involves smashing the fist that works surpsingly well against boxers

 

Yeah, I'd have to see it in motion.

I can hammer-fist an incoming arm, but I don't think I could get a 3 move combo on one before it went back!

 

You need more kali !

That is basic heaven six style patterning and is suprisingly effective!

 

If I were you I would have a word with the site owner......