Student push hand practise video

Discussion in 'Internal Martial Arts' started by johncchk, Apr 10, 2016.

  1. johncchk

    johncchk New Member

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=qNmZfnIWE4o

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    Posting some students who practice hand for 2 years (first video)and 6 months (second one). Kindly advise if you have some advise for them for improvement
     
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  2. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    I am really really curious. These are your students? If so, how about telling us what you see they need to work on?

    Actually, if they aren't your students, what is your relationship to them? And same question, what do you see that they need to work on?

    I would also like to know if that is that the standard push hands stance your school plays push hands in? I mean, we sometimes do occasional drills like that, but that is not a standard push hands stance from what I have experienced and seen in a myriad of youtube video's. From my training, there is a lot to fix in that stance, but I need to know more about what you are teaching.

    Also, a fundamental lack of basics seems to lead to a lot of breaking of posture in that second video, without anyone taking advantage of it. But again, some frame of reference for what is going on would clarify things.

    The guy in red keeps letting his elbows go up, but the other guy is not taking advantage of it.

    There is more I could comment on, but that is a start.
     
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  3. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    The first video seemed like a patsy letting a teacher or 'senior' show off in front of the camera.

    The second video; really not a fan of that stance, as it seems to encourage both practitioners to seperate the upper body from lower in terms of power generation. There's a lot of arm shoving, and then leaning backwards.

    I'd be interested to know a bit more context of these videos.
     
  4. aaradia

    aaradia Choy Li Fut and Yang Tai Chi Chuan Student Moderator Supporter

    Well, since Dan Bian brings it up, I will delve a bit further.........He mentioned some of what I was alluding to when I said a basic lack of fundamentals

    The guy in black keeps getting pushed back, and grabs the elbow of the guy in red. Then, the guy in red gives up on the push when he has succeeded in completely breaking the other guys posture.

    Why is the guy in black leaning back instead of moving his uppper body sideways from the waist back and doing a circular move to come right back to his basic posture? Or, as a beginner, he could just swing straight back if the circular motion is too difficult. That takes the pressure off the push and redirects it without breaking posture.

    And where are the arm neutralization's- the simple basic ones? The guy in black just grabs onto the other guys elbow and leans back - this is what I meant by a lack of fundamentals.

    These are basic things that IMO- should be being taught to any student right away. I mean, those are the drills our Sifu goes to whenever we get brand new people in our class. And revisits often anyways.

    No offense, but I am really surprised to see this being posted with the guys left to play like that without the instructor stepping in and giving some instruction.
     
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  5. aikiMac

    aikiMac "BJJ Over 40" club member Moderator Supporter

    I don't see anything in the hips. All the movement and strength appears to be in the arms and shoulders. I hope it's not, but, that's what it looks like.

    When I did tai chi, I was taught that all the movement and strength is supposed to be in the hips. I was taught that the arms move because the hips move. Like a banner on a stick flaps and waves when you move the stick, so the arms move because you moved the hips. The arms are not supposed to have power on their own.

    (shrug) Or so I was taught. This video doesn't look like that.
     

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