Shouting in martial arts

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by keyvee, Sep 14, 2007.

  1. keyvee

    keyvee New Member

    I have always wondered what people shout in martial arts, in karate there is something like "kia" what is in others? Iis there a tutorial how to shout? Please answer seriously
     
  2. Banpen Fugyo

    Banpen Fugyo 10000 Changes No Surprise

    There are many different kiai in Japanese martial arts. Traditionally they are used for different purposes. Some are use to startle, others for taunting etc.

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  3. Banpen Fugyo

    Banpen Fugyo 10000 Changes No Surprise

    Interpret "ki" however you wish btw.
     
  4. Dan Bian

    Dan Bian Neither Dan, nor Brian

    As I understand it, the word Kia actually translates as something like "Spirit Shout". It isn't the actually noise made.

    Coming from the Chinese MA perspective, there are a couple of shouts/noises made. The ones used in the style I practice, Tai Chi, are "Ha" and "Her".
    "Ha" is a short, sharp breathe out, usually accompanying Fa-Jing techniques.
    "Her" is a softer, longer breathe out, used for mind focusing and some pushing techniques.

    Obviously, these are very brief overviews, and there are many more uses.
     
  5. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter

    It's just there to get ya breathing right.
     
  6. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    People don't actually shout "ki-ai" in karate. It's just a word that means "harmony of energy" (as in aikido) and refers to co-ordinating your exhalation and muscular contraction at the point of impact, giving you complete bodily commitment ("ki-me").

    It doesn't matter what you shout, it's about exhaling.
     
  7. Moi

    Moi Warriors live forever x

    I use 'Ave it! :D
     
  8. Lord Spooky

    Lord Spooky Banned Banned


    Sorry Moose I have heard Karateka actually shout Kia :eek:
    It was cringe worthy
     
  9. Moosey

    Moosey invariably, a moose Supporter

    So have I - usually kids though. I tend to go with "BUNNNNGGGGGG!!!!!" :D

    (not really, thinking about it, I make a kinda "hsssaaa" noise)
     
  10. pauli

    pauli mr guillotine

    DANGITA

    DANGITA

    DANG

    edit: the caps filter is really annoying.

    anyway, like moose said, it's just a matter of breathing right.
     
  11. Slindsay

    Slindsay All violence is necessary

    It's a little known fact that kiai actually translates from Japanese as being "Please knock me out or break my jaw, my mouths wide open to make it easy for you".
     
  12. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    I was always taught it was a shout that comes from your diaphragm, a gutteral sound that usually accompanies tightening the stomach muscles.

    It sounds nothing like the noises many people make whilst performing kata; you know, the ones that make them sound like an animatronic dinosaur or a truck's air brakes ("Tssssss").

    Hapkido teaches a number of different kiaps I believe; in TKD we use just a shout, originating from the stomach, whihc could be anything from "OOOOYAAH!" to a profanity. Though I frown on those in class :)

    Mitch
     
  13. Rhea

    Rhea Laser tag = NOT MA... Supporter

    Profanity is only allowed when it's so indistinguishable you can get away with it...
    I used it during the whole of my orange belt grading. I know someone who uses different letters of the alphabet.
    And anyone who shouts kiai or Osu is just strange.
     
  14. Orangeseger

    Orangeseger YouTube =/= Training

    I kinda make a "Gyaaa!" or "Shaa!" noise, usually the Gya...

    I guess lots of people have their own special noise.



    Maybe I should shout this next time... "Shake 'n' bake!!!"
     
  15. Kenpo_Iz_Active

    Kenpo_Iz_Active Greek Warrior-not 300

    well, i would say (coming from Kenpo), its like giving extra energy to your strike. i guess it can also startle an opponent. i usually don't shout though, sparring and all.
     
  16. SteelyPhil

    SteelyPhil Messiah of Lovelamb

    Nothing like Northern Kiai :D
     
  17. keyvee

    keyvee New Member

    Look at his shouting style, Everytime he says "boos) he makes me laugh

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  18. L3vity

    L3vity Resident poet

    re

    If it has no physical benefits and "just helps your breathing," why do people exhale sharply in sparring and fights (usually TCH!)? Look down at your stomache, and make a TCH sound sharply and loudly. You should see your muscles contract. Yelling has the same effect. It both increases the power of your strikes and your body's natural resilience against your opponent's strikes.

    Additionally, if you're walking down the street and somebody just screams AYAH! rediculously loudly at you, you're startled or stunned for a second. It also calls your presence to the attention of everyone nearby. So if somebody tries mugging you when there's a couple guys nearby, and you scream AYAH! loudly and sharply, you'll probably get a free shot in while the mugger's wondering whats going on, as well as get other people to notice you getting mugged. And yes, it does increase your power and your defensive capabilities.

    (If you want an example, try punching yourself in the stomache with a motion similar to if you were stabbing yourself with a pen. Don't do it so hard that you can't breathe, but enough so it hurts. Then do it again saying TCH!. Then do it again screaming AYAH!. It should hurt less the latter two times.)
     
  19. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    If you watch the videos of John Clements on the ARMA website, you'll notice he does short, percussive vocalisations (usually, a "hu" or "ha") during his strikes. It tightens the diaphragm and lets you deliver more power. And John's got a lot of power, from what I hear. :) I tend to do little percussive breaths. Perhaps I should shout more. :)

    Best regards,

    -Mark
     
  20. Stevebjj

    Stevebjj Grappling Dummy

    I don't usually say anything beyond what I guess sounds like, "Psh." a good friend started off with TKD and says some combination of Korean words. He said they mean die, kill and stuff like that. And he seems like such a mild guy. :)
     

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