who is using the shoolder roll ? and what are the positive and negative sides of it? and what is the best way to learn it and should i learn it? if length is a factor im a tall guy 6.5 feed /1.99 cm
The philly shell. I'd think it 'd be one of the defences that be easier for the taller boxer such as yourself. Mayweather, of course, is the poster-child for this defencive move and has successfully woven it into a style but it has many negatives, from what I understand; a big one being that for inexperienced boxers, its going to result in getting slammed hard at the end of a four punch combination, double jab, etc. You'll dodge the first couple and the next ones find their home when your opponent times you. In the hands of an experienced boxer with good timing, speed ... its a good defence - as long as they don't over use it and become predictable. Just my unskilled opinion.
What do you mean Shoulder roll? The term is misused all the time. If you mean moving your weight from your front leg to the rear and hide your chin behind your lead shoulder to dodge/deflect the opponent's punch with it, it's a single move that all types of boxers do naturally during the course of a match and multiple times. For example If you are talking fighting like Mayweather or James Toney it's a different story. They do use this move a lot, but that's just the surface of their particular fighting style. Belltoller called it Philly Shell, as most people do, but this is inaccurate. Philly Shell would be more accurate to call the style of boxers that came from Philadelphia and were trained by guys like Eddie Futch and George Benton. Mayweather's style is similar but it has different roots. Take a look at this article here: http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Boxing-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-and-Contemporary-Science-92041
Ah...good job separating and clarifying these intertwined terms that are often used interchangeably, have to say. Yep - was the OP referring to the almost instinctive, as you pointed out, defencive move? - used irrespective of style or did he to mean the "Shoulder Roll Defence"/"Philly Shell" (there are variations of this)/ "Hitman"/"Crab Defence" in which the shoulder roll move is such an integral part of the style(s) that they call the boxer's entire approach - the offencive as well as defencive parts, "The Shoulder Roll Defence." To be sure there's a lot more to it than shoulder rolls It has its own stances - jab arm is held down near abdomen, reaching across towards the right - sometimes held up at an angle, sometimes not; the cross hand held relatively high, chin is kept very deep into the shoulder; a much more lateral stance than normal, etc.; favours certain types of boxers - very fast and athletic, etc.,; has its own punch execution, ring dynamics - its very own world. Good Sherdog article. One of the best I've come across and it just came out over the past month - though I'd missed it, somehow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyg_k8yQV0k[/ame]"][ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyg_k8yQV0k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyg_k8yQV0k[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwYnF8SWNjs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwYnF8SWNjs[/ame]
For those for whom it suits, there's none like it. Just keep in mind that there is a difference between the "shoulder roll" (as Madao pointed out) and the "Shoulder Roll Defence" <- which is far, far more involved and requires knowing the standard basics very well because its a game-changer; ones whole methodology and approach - even the offence - changes from 'standard' as a result. "switch" ?? You're not confusing it with the Dempsey Roll, are you? Where a boxer switches rapidly between ortho and southy while punching?
yeah i wanna switch more from a normal defence to a shoulder roll defence,so i have more variation and more possibilities to counter back.
Ja, as Madao pointed out, you are probably already doing a shoulder roll to a degree without realising it - especially with you being six-feet five. It wouldn't necessarily be switching to a shoulder roll as it would be to gradually be integrating the more advanced aspects of the defence into your game. But that goes with any aspect of technique - for the user it should all feel a seamless, fluid singularity. For your opponent - yeah, it should seem like you are rapidly switching things up. So yeah, you could put it that way. Make sure you trust your trainer and get his/her expert adivice before you start trying it in any sort of hard sparring match.
