Shinkage-ryu kenjutsu instructional DVDs. Genuine?

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by nickh, Mar 16, 2007.

  1. nickh

    nickh Valued Member

  2. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    Oh lordy no!
    Al Kilgore is making a come back! :)
    There's been quite a bit of discussion about the delusional Mr. Kilgore on several internet forums. Here's one that I believe contains links to others. Fun stuff!
    http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30475
     
  3. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    My oh my. Mr Kilgore just won't shut up shop...

    Still, where there's money to be made, there'll always be retards collecting.
     
  4. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    The scary thing is that he's probably sold a number of those vids. No wonder there are so many backyard ninjers on YouTube! :)
     
  5. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    Holy $h!*, not again! :bang:
     
  6. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    C'mon Steve,
    If it weren't for goobers like him, the internet would be so boring!!! :D
     
  7. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    Don't provoke me dude.
     
  8. pgsmith

    pgsmith Valued dismemberer

    Nice! Made me laugh out loud at that one!! :D
     
  9. nickh

    nickh Valued Member

    So does this mean he's not authorised by Yagyu-sensei?
    :D
     
  10. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    He is Yagyu-sensei's court jester.
     
  11. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    More like Yagyu sensei's bowel rag.
     
  12. nickh

    nickh Valued Member

    I had a look at their website and there is a page on history:

    http://www.twincitiesbudokan.com/twincitiesbudokan_004.htm

    It definitely seems like they are claiming to be THE Shinkage-ryu and not merely a modern school with the same name.

     
  13. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    Yeah yeah yeah these monkeys claim everything but back up nothing... go read the KW & E-Budo threads about 'em. Maybe Mr Kilgore can be emailed to see if he is more responsive this time?
     
  14. nickh

    nickh Valued Member

    You know, I have to admit that those photos on their website look a lot more respectable than those of the average fraud. They seem to have gone to a lot of effort to get the uniforms looking more genuine as well.

    I bet that they would fool most people -- even those who have done their homework about genuine koryu.

    It used to be a lot easier to spot frauds (e.g. red gi, tasuki with keikogi etc.), but now there are far too many resources out there to copy from.
     
  15. Kogusoku

    Kogusoku 髭また伸びた! Supporter

    Especially youtube.
     
  16. Devoken

    Devoken On the Path-Off the Rails

    :D
    Yeah, if it wasn't for youtube I would never have learnt that the uniform of a real sword-practitioner is exclusively sneakers, jeans and a hoody. All those koryu guys just play dress-up in a vain attempt to disguise their apparent martial deficiencies. :D
     
  17. nickh

    nickh Valued Member

    It's definitely part of the problem. In the old days, when frauds were limited to learning from books, all they really could copy were the postures and maybe some terminology.

    But now, with so much video readily available on youtube, they are able to copy the movements and general mannerisms of a particular ryu-ha. They can even now copy the distinctive kiai volcalisations that a specific school would use.

    Of course, this wouldn't be enough to fool experienced people, but it does make it a lot easier to dupe people looking for a koryu even if they have done their due diligence.

    There really should be a law against frauds being able to watch koryu videos on youtube. When you apply for a visa to visit the USA, you have to tick a box in answer to questions like "are you a terrorist?" and "are you a drug dealer?"

    Youtube should have something similar, where viewers are asked "Are you a fraud?" before they are allowed to watch.

    Think that would work?
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2007
  18. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    Then we are back to that old chestnut - lineage...
     
  19. nickh

    nickh Valued Member

    If a fraud says "yes" when asked "are you a fraud?" then is he really a fraud?

    I think I may have just created a new Zen koan here.
     
  20. ShogunMiyu

    ShogunMiyu New Member

    .....by his own admission, yes.
     

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