No, UFC and Pride are not Vale Tudo. There are so many added rules its not funny. The term "shoot" refers to a real fight, as you are aware, and was the term coined in early Japan and western pro wrestling days to a legitimate, or real bout. It can be as loosely applied to UFC and Pride as it it can to Pancrase. If any organisation has any real claim to the term shoot, I guess its Shhoto...... You may not have bought Royce up, but you used his record in your last post for some reason. Not sure how this validates Kens record. Why do you not answer the question? Who has Ken ever beat? You know why, the answer is, no one of quality...... Which leads me to the correct statement, Ken IS over rated!
I did Answer This Question U did not Answer Mine are U with Dr. Gyi If Not Y do U display the Bando Sybmbol????/ Another Quick Question Do U have any MMA Experience of Your Own???
I did Answer This Question U did not Answer Mine are U with Dr. Gyi If Not Y do U display the Bando Sybmbol????/ NO, you listed Kens wins in slap fighting. Pancrase wins are of no consequence, Ken has fought in many legitimate MMA events, who has he ever beaten? What is the Bando symbol, and who is Dr Gyi? My MMA record is not relevant to this issue, but you can PM me if you want a full list of my training and fights. So, I ask again, who has Ken beat?
Kens Record on Sure dogg States> 25-8- 2< The Symbol of 2 Kukery That U have on the Bottom of Your Posts is The Symbol to Bando Systems I Thought Maybe U Were with Dr Gyi Sice U are Using his Symbol.
I do not have a picture on the bottom of my posts??? Kens record could be 100000-0-0, but if they are all tomato cans, it means nothing. For the last time, outside of slap fighting judo, who has Ken Beat to deserve his reputation? I stand by my comment "Ken is the most over rated fighter going around", and judging by the lack of evidence you can produce, you cant deny that comment
The Kukri symbol in my sig is the actual patch worn by the Gurkha regiments on their uniforms in WW2. I hold no connection to Dr. Gyi or his organization.
Loss Tito Ortiz Submission (Fatigue) UFC 40-Vendetta 11/22/2002 Loss Don Frye Decision (Split) PRIDE 19-Bad Blood 2/24/2002 Win Sam Adkins Submission (Kimura) WMMAA 1-MegaFights 8/10/2001 Loss Kazuyuki Fujita TKO (Corner Stoppage) PRIDE 10-Return of the Warriors 8/27/2000 Win Alexander Otsuka TKO (Strikes) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Finals 5/1/2000 Win Brian Johnston Submission (Forearm Choke) UU 96-Ultimate Ultimate 1996 12/7/1996 Loss Dan Severn Decision UFC 9-Motor City Madness 5/17/1996 Win Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Kneebar) UFC 8-David vs. Goliath 2/16/1996 Draw Oleg Taktarov Draw UFC 7-The Brawl in Buffalo 9/8/1995 Win Dan Severn Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 Draw Royce Gracie Draw UFC 5-The Return of the Beast 4/7/1995 Win Felix Mitchell Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 Win Christophe Leninger Submission (Strikes) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 Loss Royce Gracie Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 Win Patrick Smith Submission (Heel Hook) UFC 1-The Beginning List from Sherdog.com and I removed all Pancrase fights.
All That While Blancing a Pancrase Contract Training Champions Doing Pro Wrestling ,Guest Staring in Moveies,, And Rasing 4 Kids Lets Examin These. Tito Vs Ken >>> Straight Up Ken Lost Don Vs Ken >>> Loss By Split Dis & was at The End of his Contract in The Old Day's This Would Have been a Draw. Sam Vs Ken >>> Ken Wooped a good Boxer Kazuki Vs Ken >>> Ken goes into The Fight Fighting off a Fever After Some Serious Stompage He Ran out Off Gas & Through in The Towel ,, Don Frye Examend Him & Shipped Him Off The The Hospital With an I V. Alexander Vs Ken>>> Lets See now This is The Guy Who Beat Marco Ruas Went The Distance With Igor Toe to Toe & could not Be Submited By A Dam Good Fighter in Renzo,, Yet Ken KO's Him Brian Vs Ken >>> Straight up ass Whoopen Dan Vs Ken>>> The Most Boring Fight in MMA History!!!!! Kimo Vs Ken >>> Ken Ends The Fight in Styel With a Wicked Kneebar Something he learned in Japanese Slap Fighting. Oleg Vs Ken >>> A Draw Yet Had Judges Been in Place?? Dan Vs Ken >>> Ken Beats The Top Fighter of That Time in under 2 Min Royce Vs Ken >>> He Played The Game in Reverse Lets See What U can Do to Me??? Then The Same Guy Who won 3 Tuff Man Contests with His Fist Throws a Hard Right to Gracies Eye,, once again had Judges been in Place???? Felix VS Ken >>> The Guy Had Not Even Had a Fight. Chirs Vs Ken >>> Ken Beat a Top National Judo Champ Royce Vs Ken >>> Make a Mistake. it can happen to anyone Pat Vs Ken >>> Ken Taped out 2 Time Sabaki Challenge Champion Who was undefeated As a Pro Kick Boxer & Boxer. Now Seeing That While Training Champions Fighting Doing Moveies Pro Wrestling Raising 4 Kids. He was Still Compeating in Pancrase Lets ad This to The Bill Cause Pancrase Competion is Not For The WEAK Masa Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins with a Side Choke Yoshiki Vs Ken >>>> Heel Hook Victory Andre Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins Submisson Minoru Vs Ken >>> Loss By Leg Submisson to a Top Fighter Ryushi Vs Ken >>> Wins Submisson Matt Vs Ken >>> Armlock submisson Bas Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins By Submisson Masa Vs Ken >>> Ken Looses to a good Fighter Who Gave Rickson Gracie A Run for his Money,, Masa Avenged an Earlyer Loss Takaku Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins By Submisson Alex Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins By Submisson Maurise Smith Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins if I have To tell U who Smith is U know nothing about MMA Masa Vs Ken >>> Ken Brakes the Tie With a Submisson Victory in a Turnament to Deside The 1st King of Pancrase. Manabu Vs Ken >>> Dis,,, in The UFC or Brasil This Would Be called a Draw Ken Win The Turnament. Leon Vs Ken >>> Ken Snapped his Ankel Bas Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins By Kneebar Mioru Vs Ken >>> Ken Lost his Titel to a kneebar Larry Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins with an Achilles Lock Katsuomi Vs Ken >>> Ken Wins By Submisson Yoshiki Vs Ken >> Ken Wins By DES,,, Yoshiki is the Pancrase Fighter That Beat Ismail Who is the Fighter Who Choked out Royce. Now If Sherdogg Has This List of Record Right Next to UFC , Pride & So On Y Would U dismisit as Something that is Not MMA Pancrase was MMA Before MMA Was Cool. Kens Been There & Done it All U can't Erase The Facts.
I will give you Dan, that is it. Sam Adkins, give me a break..... The rest have done nothing in MMA. He is by far, the most over rated fighter in the world. His record is terrible against credible opposition. Is he a good coach, you bet. Is he a good fighter, for sure. Does he deserve the accolades and reputation, no way. What does that add up to? OVER RATED! I could list a dozen current, and former UFC fighters, who have more right through MMA victories to the reputation he enoys.
That is ridiculous dude. no matter who he fought a win is a win. Ill tell you what though if you go in the ring with anyone of those guys ken has beaten and you win then we will gladly dismiss them. That sounds fair right? Like you said its only slap fighting. Rob
Whether I can beat them is not the point. Did you even read the posts? This is about Ken being over rated. Its not about whether a win is a win, or about how tough he is, its about whether or not he deserves the reputation he has...... As far as I am concerned, anyone who steps in the ring at any level, deserves respect. All I have said from the start, and you fail to get this, is that his record shows that he doesn't deserve the reputation he has. Its like talking to a brick wall in here at times....... Above post obviously not adressed to my sparring partner Acekickin
Actually this post is about who you think would win the match. I started the thread so i think i would know. His reputation is more than just what he has done in the UFC you know. Its everything he has done in his entire career. Just b/c he has lost only to the best fighters in the UFC doesnt mean thats all that counts. He has beaten some of the best as well. Reputation or not he is a bad mother and should not be under estimated. So now back on to the topic that i started....Who do you think would win? Rob
It seems you dont read the posts, I answered that question in my first post As I have said previously, if you read the posts, he is a good fighter, he is a good coach, and yes, he has been beaten by quality opposition, but his record shows clearly, he does not deserve his reputation.......
WAZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz UPPPPPPpppppppppp NOW Ken Ends The Fight in Styel TKO Bringing his recored toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 26 -8- 2 Kimo's a Tuff Fighter but came up short , no dout he will be back.
