I've been training in Japanese jujitsu for about 13 years now , I am a very open minded martial artist . Im the type of person who doesn't tell others to much about my training . But something that has been making me a little frustrated lately is the amount of tough guys who take a month of bjj and want to "roll". Of my own frustration I end up getting rough with people . Does anyone else have this experience of bjj kids who don't know the difference between styles ? Don't get me wrong no hate on bjj , its a great sport and have plenty of friends that do it . Just interested in stories
Well I used to roll in Ninjutsu, before I ever heard of BJJ, so I don't see the problem? Isn't there Newaza in JJJ?
I'm frustrated at the number of Japanese and Brazilian JJers in my judo club wearing white belts but quite clearly not beginners.
Many BJJ'ers cross train in Judo (both instructors and several others at my old BJJ club did or had done Judo too). Itz for da fro's innit.
Really, who would expect you to actually train honestly with them? Crazy people. Don't they know real jujutsuka only do kata?
Truth, my Instructor is a Judo BB, and we have a Judoka who won a silver at a local BJJ tournament. EDIT: Might have been a bronze...
Well I think I understand what you're talking about. I've also experienced BJJ players coming into our dojo and assuming that because ground work and grappling isn't our primary focus, that they'll just steamroll us when we roll. But they find out pretty quick that we have some decent skills ourselves. I've never really found it too frustrating though, except when I hear "that's an illegal move" or "that's an illegal takedown." But I just reply "not in here it isn't. Here there's no such thing." I find that after that, they break into two groups. The ones that really come to appreciate that about our club, and the ones that don't come back. And either way works for me. As far as losing your temper about it, why bother letting it get to you? If they come in with a chip on their shoulder, and you teach them a lesson, then what's to be frustrated about? And if they beat you, then take it as an opportunity to learn something... Evaluate what happend, and what can be learned. Talk to them. See if there's things from their repertoire you can add to your own. Exchange ideas. There's all kinds of things a jujitsuka can learn from bjj players, and vice-versa. I think that's why our club has such a wide variety of skills, because we never turn our noses up at someone else's art, but rather try to learn from them. Incorporate what works for us into our own game. Discard the rest. Closed-mindedness never made anyone a better martial artist. And if he's just a jerk, then simply decline the invitation in the first place. "Wanna roll?" "Nope, I'm good thanks." Mat bullies will grow tired of not getting any takers and just stop showing up. You've been doing jujitsu for 13 years, what do you need to prove to some walk-in?
Why does this frustrate you? Why are they 'tough guys' for wanting to roll? Don't you do randori? Spazzing out in a roll? sounds like "you rack disiprin".
Depends on what you're calling JJJ. With some of the older schools it may be in there depending on the ryu-ha but certainly not focused on in the way that BJJ does. Reasons for this being things like wearing armour to having weapons to hand etc
Heel hooks, small joint manipulation, fish hooking, neck cranks and wrapping your leg around your opponents (illegal in IBJJF rules). EDIT: That isn't all the illegal things, but the major ones.
Scissors and ankle locks, if you're talking about the beej. Some places ban entangling-leg takedowns and some armlocks/spinelocks too.
I've had complaints about small joint locks. Use of pressure points for control, sweeps and passing, and submissions. Pinches and gouges to sweep and/or escape subs. I had a young guy whine incessantly for two classes that I used an "illegal takedown" when I took him down with a flying leg scissor and rolled him up into a knee bar. Don't know about the competitive legality of that technique, but he sure seemed incensed about it.
