Please let me also add this. As far as information 'right from the sources', well, there are contradictions there also. John, correct me if I'm wrong, but you have stated Mitose only was exposed to the surface arts, he lacked expert ability and was a criminal. I totally agree he was a criminal and according to the court transcripts, he certainly was no role model. Okay, you feel others, myself included, go by second or third hand but you go to the source, one of which you named as Sijo Emperado. Well, remember I did the same thing when researching Mitose. It's on the Kajukenbo Cafe. I made a short list of questions that Professor Gerry Scott agreed to ask Sijo in person and one was about the surface arts and possibly training from Mutzu's book. Professor Scott stated that Sijo said absolutely not and that Mitose had the ability of a 'master instructor'. It should still be on the 'Cafe', so this is fact. See again what I mean? Who do we believe? Does this mean someone is lying or is it a matter of opinion? if so, I would have to take Sijo's word for it because he was there, first hand and you weren't, correct? This is another reason why I say we should all just let it go! Too many contradictions, too many inaccuracies in EVERYONE'S HISTORY & LINEAGE!