Discussion in 'Filipino Martial Arts' started by roninmaster, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    I've been training at the same gym for a while now, and one of the classes they're going to be integrated into our place soon is a class in Panantuken. I've been looking for a striking art to go alongside my BJJ to round me out a bit. I consider myself more of a grappler but none of that matters if my opponent knocks me out before i can get an arms reach away of course.

    I googled this art to get a feel for it and see would it be something to go well along with my jiujitsu, and I'm at odds about it. While the demo's I found looked "cool" I'm generally an overall martial arts skeptic. In essence, I don't believe an arts claims until I see it demonstrated effectively and consistently, utilizing the main techniques of the art. ( i.e. your wing chun isn't effective just because you and your mates spar MMA style at your academy)

    This is why I'm in a bit of a weird spot with Panantuken. I don't have any experience with Filipino martial arts, but a lot of the drills and sessions I saw when searching youtube seemed very choreographed, and I couldn't find many sparring videos. Can anyone shed some light on panatuken's overall ( generalized ) effectiveness or skill transfers to 1 v 1 unarmed combat.

    I understand every art can teach you something but my goals are to do some amateur MMA fights when I get purple belt and wanted to start doing any legitimately strong striking art that will help with that goal.
  2. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    It's a solid art. However, you need to be a good boxer/striker in a combat sport for the timing to work. Good luck :)
  3. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    If it helps think of it as "dirty boxing". It is something I find tremendously useful operationally and from a grappling perspective it is a gorgeous compliment. If you can box the technqiues flow seemlessly - if not the adaptation may be a little trickier. Some of the drills are especially useful (jab-catch being one) as a framework to plug any system into. If you remind me I will tape some....

    My partner in crime P-Dog reguarly messes MMA fighter up in sparring with panantukan delivery system because it is so different to the "usual"

    You may also want to look at the "kali tudo" series by the Dog Brothers as this explores a lot of the territory



  4. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    Great art. Wish I had more time in my day to cross-train in it to complement my BJJ. Great Kali instructor (Rick Faye) and classes just 60 feet from the mat...just not enough time in my schedule to make them all without taking away time from BJJ.
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    You MUST make time!!!! Rick Faye really has his poop together!
  6. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Yeah, Rick is one seriously smart guy and one of THE guys for panantukan. I'm training with him again in May and I can't wait.
  7. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    Yeah, definitely lucky to have someone of Rick's caliber by me. I took the kali and CSW classes for a while before deciding to focus on BJJ. I'll try to make the Panantukan class. Want to keep a reasonable MA schedule...
  8. Docholiday

    Docholiday Valued Member

    There is some great panantukan out there. However, in the FMA community panantukan is the flavor of the month and every filipino system claims to teach it. If the ops goal is to get good at empty hand he should go to the empty hand experts. FMA as a whole is a new kid on the scene, there's an overabundance of FMA demo videos. As an FMA practitioner is see our art at a critical point, a lot of martial artists can see the practicality of what we do, but we have to make sure we're relevant fighters. Currently I can't recommend. FMA as an empty hand art to anyone looking to get good at striking, there are some perhaps few fma instructors that can teach useful striking but on the whole I don't think it's advisable and there's no guarantee of skill. To the op, avoid FMA you're questions Are relevant, look at the sparring you're panantukan guys do. If it's not comparable to boxing or Muay thai go find another coach. FMA can build some solid empty hand attributes but it's bo replacement for experience. Perhaps someday FMA panantukan will stand alive as an art.

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