Have been watching some videos of BJJ on youtube recently, and came across some older footage (think it's from the 80s) of the Gracie Challenge put together in a documentary. In it the commentator (think it's Rorion?) states several times that the BJJ practitioners "did not want to use the finishing moves that they knew, but wanted to beat the strikers at their own game". He then states at 5:09 that Jiujitsu is a combination of styles: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQqRJNGhHN4"]Gracies in action 2 part 5 - YouTube[/ame] Just curious as to what styles that's likely to be? Also do any of the oldschool BJJ schools still teach the same kind of striking and standup components which he's referring to alongside the groundwork?
It's Rorion and this was a bit of a marketing video for GJJ back in the day BJJ is primarily Judo (jokingly called "Basically Just Judo" as a backronym). It incorporated wrestling moves and a little boxing in addition to its Judo foundation. There is talk of Fusen Ryu being at the core with the newaza emphasis, but not everyone accepts this.
Dang you got in there before I could edit that bit... Yeah thought it was a little over zealous with how effective Jiu Jitsu was, interesting video to watch though. Knew it was derived from Judo (or what was know at the time in Brazil as jiu jitsu) and that they might have some basic boxing thrown in there, although I must admit I'd never heard about Fusen Ryu being a large part of it before. Interestingly just found an article that attributes Judo's ground work to a guy named Mataemon Tanabe who was a master in Fusen Ryu: http://kobukaijujitsu.com/jujitsu-and-newaza/ Although there aren't any references to anything, so could very easily be completely fictional
IIR correctly the story goesthat Fusen ryu were the only school to beat the kodokan back in the day by just going straight to the ground where they could submit (compare to "pulling guard") - thsi then supposedly led to the bigger and more popular system (Judo) incorporating Fusen Ryu. Maeda was allegedly a Fusen Ryu stylist prior to joing the Kodokan
Yeah that's pretty much what the article suggests. Although it states that Maeda was a Judoka prior, and was then sent by Kano to learn and specialise in newaza from Tanabe along with a few others.
Doesn't seem to name any of the fighters, just what colour shorts they're wearing... Any records of Vale Tudo matches in Brazil around the 80s? Could possibly work out who he is from those, as I'm sure it said he was in the heavy weight division
