Flavor of the past two decades would be more accurate. Fact of the matter is, BJJ has proven more effective than traditional grappling time and time again. Alot of traditional arts have their merits but the old school grappling arts really don't work against tough guys. Just because a style still exists doesn't make it usefull. My old Karate school did JJJ. My friend and I absolutely destroyed them with wrestling alone before either of us made the switch to MMA and BJJ. Our victims included the 10th degree black belt who had his personal style verified by the emperor of japan. He was unable finish any submissions because we constantly maintained superior positions. JJJ doesn't emphasize positioning and as a result, it is not an effective method of fighting.
Ya know i read that post of mine again and I can see why it upset people. I appologize for my tone. As funny as I think it is, theres no need to call names and belittle other arts purely for my amusement. Keep in mind though, the original question of this thread is which is better Ninjitus or ju jitsu. In my opinion the answer is ju jitsu especially if its BJJ.
Trying to save someone from wasting money in a phony martial art is not "battling." It is community service.
Please refrain from telling other people what to post, particularly when you do so in an arrogant, authoritative manner. It makes you look far more arrogant than you are aware of..
Sorry it came across that way, just trying to be diplomatic. As for telling people what to post, I'm only trying to make sure it all remains civil in here. Saying that a martial art a lot of people on this forum have studied is for delusional super nerds is likely to end up with a mud-slinging match rather than the proper discussion of pros and cons the OP wanted. Anyway, nicerebound has made it clear now that he didn't intend it to start anything like that so let the thread continue...
I know little about ninjitsu other than what I saw in a program testing martial arts against science which was cool but from what the ninjitsu guy said about his art it seems to be less grapple based than normal jitsu. At least, he was shadow boxing a lot of broken shoulders and ribs.
Scott Morris represented Ninjitsu in UFC 2 and lost to Pat Smith due to a ground and pound knock out. Its actually one of the fastest and most brutal knockouts in UFC history. When the fight hit the ground, Morris didn't really know what he was doing and he ate several elbows and punches to the face. Pat Smith was not a ground fighting specialist either, he was a kickboxer. And technically there is no rule banning ninjitsu from mixed martial arts. They have to follow the basic rules like everyone else, but theoretically a Ninjitsu fighter could make his way onto the mma scene. The fact that this hasn't happened for so many years is one of the many reasons I do not respect Ninjitsu as a fighting art.
Just to clarify are we talking about ninjitsu or ninjutsu? As from what i've read theres a big difference. Why even here on map i remember such a quote as: "If it says ninjitsu its probably fake and you shouldn't train if you want real training. If it says ninjutsu you should be ok" ...
Scott Morris was listed as Ninjitsu and its pronounced that way in the video. I'm not sure what ninjutsu is but I can tell you that its allowed in MMA as well. To the best of my knowledge a ninjutsu fighter has never won in the ufc or any other major mma event. Out of curiousity, what makes ninjutsu unique?
Being a big lurker in the ninjutsu section, from what i can tell its just a translation error. Ninjitsu is ninjutsu but the 'jutsu' is the correct spelling of the art, search some of the ninjutsu section its explained fairly well as to why its 'jut' instead of 'jit' There was also another Ninjutsu fighter (or so he classed as a Ninjitsu guy), i think it was UFC 3, who beat the hell out of a boxer and then finished him by arm bar. T'was a cracking arm bar aswell!!
Just watched Steve Jennum win his bout in UFC 4 with with an arm bar against some boxer. http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...l=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 The boxer obviously had no ground training and pretty much handed it to him, but none-the-less I'm suprised to see a Ninjitsu guy getting a sub. I still maintain that BJJ is a vastly superior art and I think you'd have a tough time finding a ninjitsu school on the planet that teaches their students to fight like that. Regaurdless, I'll admit there are at least some very tough ninjitsu guys out there.
Agreed the boxer had no ground game but how many arts did back then? Thats the reason why BJJ exploded onto the scene, it exploited a lot of arts weakness. Their weakness was the lack of ground game. Lets be honest here though, did the ninjutsu guy have a ground game? All he did was sit on him and GnP until a loose arm was there for the taking. The boxer wouldve done the same had Steve gone to the ground, the difference was Steve knew how to take it too the ground. The boxer didnt.
Not just that post, every post in this thread that contains your 'knowledge' of ninjutsu. If you dont know something, say you dont know something. Dont say "i dont know much about ninjutsu" and then say "but BJJ is vastly superior" in the same breath. You contradict yourself.
I was actually going to say that the ninjitsu guy might have copied bjj becaues it looks like the kind of stuff you learn your first day (mount and basic falling armbar) but I didn't want to sound arrogant.
