Hi. I was thinking about judo and its going well. I have to get another log up. Was wondering about how newaza is done at your place. I know we start with our warmups then we go through the gokyo waza. Then after that we do some ground. Im just wondering how long is spent on ground were your at?
I have a interesting question regarding newaza. It has been said that a Judo shodan is roughly equal to a bluebelt bjj on the ground. Which makes sense given my experience so far, and how the newaza training is structured. So if a shodan is roughly equal to a blue belt, what about someone who is a second Dan judo or Higher?
Depends a lot on who taught them, so Judoka are good blue belts, some are great blue belts. Anything past blue belt is a rarity though.Perhaps the mega-dans are better, although I haven't seen it.
Alot of judoka get shodan and give up further testing so a modern shodan is bluebelt ish, some of the oldschool guys will be better, who may or may not have higher dan grades, but really the maximum in ability is purple in the areas newaza covers, but there's lots of bjj that isnt in newaza. I train with a nidan who has an amazing top pining game, and another who has a great tutrle and vs turtle game, plus a good sweeping game from open guard.
Thanks for the information guys. Well for my needs, the newaza in judo(plus what im doing in the JJJ class right after judo) will be fine for self defense I think. I have to much on my plate to add yet another class to my training schedule. So from what im reading here and other places it looks like judoka can be good at specific things. So the feeling im getting is that judoka are average while bjj is specialist. Would that be close?
Judo is specialist throwing, a great art and almost always underestimated. It will suit a lot of needs when it comes to self defence and probably fitness too. I have mixed opinions of JJJ but I've been told the best at it are also brilliant judokas.
I like this JJJ because to do it right, you have to be a judoka. It literally builds off our judo. Its not intended for anything other then self defense. Its kinda like your learning to apply your judo out side of judo. Basic strikes and blocks, a few standing locks and more judo.. Either way I get more practice at my basic judo throws so that's always a good thing.
I've heard the striking can be incredibly frustrating and limited. I have a friend who is a second dan in JJJ and he's very honest about his experiences and how much he has Learned about actually applying techniques in combat situations since attending MMA classes and kickboxing. Again though, your grappling skills will most likely be very good because of the judo base. I'm so jealous because I don't get to do judo really
Well the striking is basic and not an emphasis, however for me its not really a problem. I also attend the Karate class's and they love to compete. I love that my place has so many training opportunities. When you think of the striking, think not of competitive mma or karate, but more along the lines of krav maga or some other rbsd art.
Our organization combines our judo and jujitsu class together into one curriculum. At our dojo we have emphasis dependent upon who is teaching - whether its standup or groundwork, though all class ends in multiple randori rounds. One of our teachers also does BJJ, so we have that influence as well.
I think the reason that Judo and JJJ work so well together is because most modern JJJ is actually just the old Judo goshin jutsu (self defence) stuff, minus the randori AKA the all-important delivery system. So you learn the techniques themselves fairly well but you miss out on all the micro skills like timing, distancing, and control of position. The problem is compounded when people then start to toy with the techniques, which of course is just guess work without reliable pressure testing. The issue is that from a JJJ perspective (assuming you buy my theory on all this) you can't just start doing randori and expect to fix the discrepancy because you miss out on a talent pool that's over 100 years old. Since I started Judo and boxing my JJJ has improved in leaps and bounds and I've grown a lot more confident with it.
A strong Judoka is good at grappling as it applies to judo: which means they will have great throws and be hard as hell to throw in return, have good pin and pin escapes, be very good at turtling and attacking said position, and also be very good at chokes and arms bars which they have to apply quickly, so the attacks on the ground tend to be much quicker and more aggressive than BJJ but more limited in what and how you can attack. That said If its just self defence you want then to be honest judo is a much better choice than BJJ, for the reasons stated above, your stand up clinch game will be much stronger than someone who has done a similar amount of time in BJJ, and the explosive quick nature of the ground game I think suits the street more than the slower more controlled game you see in most BJJ clubs As for the original question typically a 3rd of the class time in my dojo is spent on the ground, sometimes its more and sometimes less, but ground is always covered in each class
