If you can make your opponent's spine to bend side way (not forward or backward), you can collapse his structure and take most (if not all) of his defense and counter away. When your opponent has no structure, he will have no threaten to you at that particular moment. If you want to take him down from there, it can be effortless. - Do you train this? - Could your share your thought here? [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSNw2cJkmg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSNw2cJkmg[/ame]
I think this is not only true of standup grappling, but ground grappling as well. It both off balances your opponent and disconnects their lower and upper body, rendering them unable to perform techniques until they restructure.
I was taught that every throw has three unbalances (although all three can happen at the same time). 1) Initial unbalance (e.g., break posture): I think the two basic concepts here are to strike (or leverage) someone into a kuzushi (unbalance point) or move into a kuzushi and throw them out of it. Although stunning the opponent also will allow breaking of posture and knock out will not only do that but also bring them to the ground. Against an unprepared opponent, head control can almost immediately break posture. 2) Control opponent by breaking the connection between their spine and hip (e.g., bend spine sideways): I think the basic concept is to get the opponent to twist their spine while they are attempting to step forward or back. 3) Take their legs/feet away (e.g., lift them off the ground while off balanced): I think the concept here is to finish strongly by leaving the opponent with no point of contact they can use to leverage against the throw. ---- Okay, further discussion of #2 above... If you twist the opponent but both their feet are still on the ground, even though the opponent is unstable, you may have a false sense of security. In such a case, a strong opponent could still power their way out and/or an agile opponent could step around you to regain stability. Twisting the spine while they are stepping (attempting to step) is much more effective, IMHO.
In that clip, if CXW can use his left leg to "scoop" his opponent's right leg off the ground, it will be much difficult for his opponent to escape.
In Chinese wrestling, the "slant cut" uses this strategy. The key is the "slant". [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVrlvRUzp8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjVrlvRUzp8[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCswmlL_hA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCswmlL_hA[/ame]
This is important. You can - sweep, - scoop, - hook, - horse back kick, one of your opponent's legs off the ground. You can also "bend his knee joint side way" which has similar effect as to "bend his spine side way". [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thVicjZhSIE&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thVicjZhSIE&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
Yeah, Osoto Gari in Judo - its the unbalancing that matters. Bend their spine all you want, but if their center of gravity is still over their feet, you're going to have to muscle the throw.
If you 1. can bend your opponent's spine side way, his center of gravity will be over his feet. 2. can't bend your opponent's spine side way, his center of gravity will still be inside his feet. IMO, if you can achieve 1, you can finish your throw. If you can't, you should give up, move back, and wait for your next chance. Quite often that when people move in, apply a throw, and get countered, it's because they can't achieve 1 and they still want to continue.
But the more out of alignment the spine is, the less muscling you need to get them over. I think you're both right. If you can disconnect their upper and lower body, as philo said, then it becomes many times harder to resist unbalancing (and exert force at all, hence philo saying it works on the ground, too). Here's another example from hooks and clinch: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzDmzVDVkc"]MMA Minute - Power Twist Takedown - YouTube[/ame] The more ingredients you have in the technique, the more certain you are of the outcome. Spine alignment, rotation, centre of balance, barriers (anything from a foot for a trip to your whole body for a single or double leg), pushing etc...
IMHO, the technique in the video isn't very good. If you look at when he steps in deep, he twists his hips and basically bends his own spine sideways. This isn't a good penetration step. Why doesn't he instead take a step back with his right foot, bringing the opponent forward over his left knee, then perform the take down?
When you use "under hooks" and squeeze your opponent's head, you opponent can squeeze your head at the same time as well. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzDmzVDVkc"]MMA Minute - Power Twist Takedown - YouTube[/ame]
Meh, that wasn't the point of posting the video, it was purely to show another example of bending a spine sideways. It's not a technique I've used, but I disagree about him misaligning his own spine: he switches from being misaligned himself to straightening his own spine and bending his opponent's spine out of alignment (until he starts bringing his opponent down, but that is controlled falling and his opponent can only exert any degree of force in the direction that he's going down in anyway). It also demonstrates the principle of becoming your opponent's axis. If you rotate someone around an axis other than their own spine, their head will end up not above their feet. This is most often achieved by getting your opponent into a position whereby they cannot exert as much core strength as you can (which is what is happening when we talk of "disconnecting the upper and lower body").
Don't you think he is moving outside his hip track by the way he twists himself? If he is the axis, shouldn't his hips and shoulders move together? Well you do not have to agree, but here is the same technique done while moving in sideways. I think this is better; [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nQ6qP-NgtA"]Pinch Headlock Takedown - Learn to Grapple - YouTube[/ame]
To extend your leg between your opponent's legs is always a good "door opening" move. It's better to apply some leg skill to bounce your opponent's body off the ground. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_CgGhwvc8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j_CgGhwvc8[/ame]
To be honest, the only substantial difference between the clip you posted and the one I did is that in yours he starts from an advantageous posture because he is initiating the attack, and in the one I posted he is starting from a disadvantageous posture because he is teaching it as a counter. Just comparing the first instance of the technique in each video, I don't see a significant difference in posture once the leg shoots in.
I see a difference. Maybe it is what you call the advantageous posture. The first video has the sequence, lift, clinch, step-in deep, and twist. When I look at the opponent, his posture is broken forward, but during the deep step in, the pressure on the hip is gone until the twist. In the second video, the sequence is the same, but because he comes in already bladed, there is constant pressure forward against the opponent's hip. In other words, the deep step in already starts the process of twisting the opponent by applying constant pressure to the opponent's hip while bending the opponent forward.
Ah, I see what you are saying. Yes, the technique in the video you posted is harder to resist and counter for the reasons you state
