karate vs boxing: more 'practical' in street fights?

karate has no "guard". your kamaete is your own.

 

^^^ something a lot of people don't consider.

I think klitchko will always do better than the weekend warrior in the village hall won't he....

 

Eh, I guess I was comparing it to the first. I should have really said ''If you compare an amateur Karateka to an amateur Boxer''. But then again, when are you going to find a devote K1 fighter in a street fight? Much more likely to find a Boxer.

 

To be fair, I'm not really that scared of most boxers either, to be 100% honest with you. There are kids who put on the gloves for 5 minutes and think they're Ali in boxing as well as serious athletes. The major difference IMHO is the level of physical conditioning expected of the average trainee, not any piffling discrepancies in technique.
While we're on the subject, let's hear it a bit more for the guys who do only train a few hours a week in the leisure centre! Nobody says you have to be mas oyama to do martial arts.

 

The quintessential example in my mind...Andy Hug

 

Thats it in a nutshell.

 

Just FTR before my last EBF fight my regular week looked like this:

Monday:Lunch: weights: squats, RDL, split squats
PM 1.5 hour boxing, pad work, restricted sparring, rope climbs and conditioning

Tuesday AM road work 3-5 miles fasted
Lunch: weights OHP, bench, dips etc

Wednesday 6am boxing session 1.5 hours, pads, body bag and bag work. Lots of sprints, stair sprints etc.
Pm ether another boxing session or squats again

ThursdayM boxing 3-9 rounds sparring 3-9 rounds bag work. 20 mins of prowler pushes and tire flipping, then a BW circuit

Friday am rest
PM Deadlifts, huge amounts of lat work, power snatch etc.

Sat AM: beach conditioning session, always started with 10 sprints up a 60stair set, then lead to other hell on the soft sand (shuttle runs, sumo wrestling, partner carries, car/van pushes)
PM: sparring 3-9 rounds restricted or open.

Sunday rest and cheat meal


Compared to when I was prepping for my last karate comp:
Karate 3 nights a week followed by a couple of hours in the pub with the lads I trained with playing pool.

 

Just curious...what'd the results of your Karate comp have been had ya did the above routine in prep for it?? Would've taken the comp with plenty o room to spare?

I reckon with boxing, one knows the heavy prep is required unless you want your **** handed to you on a not-so-silver plate. With the TKD, one subconciously knows you're not going to need that level of conditioning ( for the avg comp ) so one doesn't put forth the effort, then?

I think if we ( who are in karatee, TKD ) all trained as if it were a Golden Gloves ( or even farther down the totem pole ), people would look at karateka with a different set of expectations.

BTW, nice routine

 

I'm tired just reading that.

 

If you accept that the highest percentages of street assaults are punches to the head then what method will give an average individual the best chance of dealing with a punch to the head? Boxing trains you to deal with punches to the head at the range that most fights starts. That’s not to say other methods don’t do that but Boxing is singly focused on dealing with head shots at the street fight range. Two hours of protecting your head a couple of nights a week is a higher ratio than two hours a couple of nights a week dealing with kicks, grabs and punches if you see what I mean. Therefore on a statical training ratio,(i.e boxing training is 95% dealing with head punches rather than say 50 % over a month average for other methods) boxing training will probably give the average individual the best chance to deal with punches to the head at the street fighting range.

 

I didn't have much of a life i'll admit, I was very lucky to have a supporting (and patient) girlfriend if I'm honest, I used to love Sundays!!

 

My advice is to supplement your training with some groundwork, and you'll be a well-rounded practitioner. I'm a strong advocate of keeping street fights on your feet, but a plan is just a series of things that probably won't happen. Judo or jujutsu should round you out nicely.

 

What i am doing at the moment is muay thai and trying to focus more on the boxing and clinch game (knees, elbows) side of things, since these seem to be the distances that most self defence encounters happen at. I generally like to go with Geoff Thompsons self defence advise. try to shut the attacker down with intimidation/ postureing (fighting without fighting), then if they keep knocking against the fence, try to shut things down at with hands, and if that fails and we clinch, then use knees, elbows, head , biting, anything up close to hurt them, so if we go to ground they are hurt and i can untangle myself and escape. I am thinking of cross training with boxing or judo because my teacher says i am good puncher, and i enjoyed judo as a kid, and used it to chuck around my mates in play fights back at school. So it should at least be a load of fun.

 

I should specify that I didn't mean to do groundwork training while you're still learning your stand-up game. That would not be very wise. Learn one art at a time before moving on to round out more training. Otherwise, you'll be learning competing theories and confusing yourself.

 

I dont know why karate does this though ? My club doesnt but your correct I think a majority are and the politics in karate ? I put it down to cause were more passionate lol

 

I hear these type of conversations over, and over, and over. Without the three d's (and i'm not referring to a bra size) determination, dedication, and discipline it does not matter what fighting method is used. I am sure we all prefer our own combative methodologies, but if you are not more determined than your opponent you will be defeated. If you are not more disciplined than your opponent and train hard, you will be defeated. If you are not dedicated to your own combat method you will be defeated.

Questions also come up about discipline and etiquette in the gym or martial arts school. What people really mean when they say this is: " Are these people nice or a bunch of jerks?" I have found that the ignorant many times mistake kindness for weakness (at their own peril). The ability to conduct ones self in an appropriate manner and be able to effectively communicate with others is a VERY important part of self defense. Discipline and etiquette are taught by teachers. If you workout center does not have it, it's a sign of poor leadership.

 

Maybe it is just a local mentality or insecure alpha's or wholier then thou or just upper end white bread attitude I dunno.I'm not implying it is all just some of the local stuff I have run into.

 

hey, for some reason i can't edit my own thread

does anyone know how I can turn make this thread into a poll?

or....can an admin edit this to a poll? would help people see what we think

yuen.