ITF Patterns Competition judging.

Discussion in 'Tae Kwon Do' started by ZenPixelTKD, Jan 25, 2006.

  1. ZenPixelTKD

    ZenPixelTKD not just a natural blonde

    If you are patterns judge, what sort of things are you looking for?

    What do you do when you see different interpretations of rhythm?
    For example, Won Hyo, I have seen people do the first 3 steps...
    *all on one count.
    * really broken up, like 1 and then 2 and then 3
    * smooth but over 3 counts.

    What do you feel is correct? Why?
    What optional pattern is your favourite to call?

    Have you judged Team Patterns?
    How much breaking is enough? Too much? What kind of stuff do you like to see the most? Complicated breaks? No breaks? Unusual formation?
     
    Last edited: Jan 25, 2006
  2. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    technicaly correct patterns are what i look for.
    i.e won hyo the first 3 moves in 3 breaths
    bending ready stance in 1 breath
    folowed by the side piercing kick another breath
    the circular blocks in 1 breath

    all kicks proper height too i hate it when high kicks are favoured over properly focused kicks
     
  3. Gizmo

    Gizmo Valued Member

    Well, if it's an ITF tournament, ITF guidelines should be used. With the Encyclopedias available, DVDs and CDs, plus all the seminars the General gave around the globe, the patterns are pretty standardised.

    If it's an open tournament with non-ITF members competing, more variations will be used. Therefore, I would look for things like balance, power, general impression and I would be less concerned about whether a double punch is done like "punch-wave-punch" or rather "bam-bam" ;)

    Regards

    Gizmo
     
  4. jon-m

    jon-m New Member

    Im with the Madhoose on this one. Im a stickler for stances also and proper chambering positions
     
  5. ZenPixelTKD

    ZenPixelTKD not just a natural blonde

    What about interpretation?
    I have seen people from different countries do things a little differently, different speed, more less power. How do you judge between that?
     
  6. Taliar

    Taliar Train harder!

    The one thing I thinkthey should standardise on is kick height in patterns.

    If your mean't to be doing a middle section kick, but kick high section, you don't get penalised and could even get bonuses for the kick yet if you did a low section kick you would be penalised, yet they are both equally wrong.

    No one does high section punches if they should be middle section.
     
  7. kwang gae

    kwang gae 광개 Sidekick Specialist

    That is a really great question Zen. I can only speak for myself, and I've only been an official for a few years, but what I'm looking for is "beauty, grace, rythym, focus, power and technique."

    So if one competitor demonstrates more power that's an advantage, over a similar competitor doing the same pattern but without demonstrating power. Same with rythym. If someone's pattern seems to have a good rythym, that makes sense that's going to score higher with me than a clockwork-type-every-movement-gets-the-same-beat pattern.

    I also watch stances, but I recognize that different schools see stances differently, some shorter some longer, but I think we all agree that a front stance has both feet facing forward, and heels on the floor, etc.

    Anyway, that's me. :p
     
  8. ZenPixelTKD

    ZenPixelTKD not just a natural blonde

    I agree. It looks much more, well dynamic, I guess, when the pattern isn't performed like clockwork.
    A good example is Hwa Rang. from the beginning, the rhythm should be (that I like), 1,2,3, 1,2,3 then 1, 1, 1, etc, if its all even, like beats on a metronome, it seems, flat.
     
  9. As far as I'm aware, aren't stances given specific attention with regards to width, length, weight distribution and feet positioning?
     
  10. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    I measured my shoulders a little while ago, then measured out all my stances accordingly.

    If I did most of my stances to those dimensions they would be deemed too short by most people.

    Taller people generally have to over-emphasise the classical dimenions to get a stance to look right, unless they have shoulders like Arnie.

    Mitch
     
  11. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    One breath in, two (possibly linked) exhalations, surely?

    Mitch
     
  12. Taliar

    Taliar Train harder!

    Yep that's they way I've been taught, circular block has 2 sections, with two exhales. One on the 'downward' sweep part of the block, the second in the upwards 'circle' section.
     
  13. jon-m

    jon-m New Member

    Its a continuous motion, on exhale it is one continuous breath but it sounds linked, not like one continuous blow - if you get my meaning?

    ;)
     
  14. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    I think so, sounds like the same thing, one breath in, then breathe out with two points of emphasis on the exhalation. I think that's pretty standard.

    Like Poe Eun 3-11?

    Mitch
     
  15. ZenPixelTKD

    ZenPixelTKD not just a natural blonde

    I don't think I could do those steps in Po Eun in one breath, I would pass out!
     
  16. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Like:
    "HUUUUUUUUUUUGH

    heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh

    HUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

    heh

    heh...etc"

    :D

    It is supposed to be one breath though.

    Mitch
    a little blue and falling gently backwards...
     
  17. TheMadhoose

    TheMadhoose Carpe Jugulum

    although it is supposed to be all in one breath if you watch the vids on the legacy series you can hear every technique having a breath.
    and these recordings were supervised by the general himself
     
  18. ZenPixelTKD

    ZenPixelTKD not just a natural blonde

    Are you about to give birth Mitch?!
     
  19. Mitch

    Mitch Lord Mitch of MAP Admin

    Now that is interesting! What are your thoughts Madhoose? Poor demonstration on the vids or a technique too far?

    Mitch
     
  20. jon-m

    jon-m New Member

    Yup! except its 6 to 12 :)
     

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