Is Ninjutsu Really Effective?2

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Kurama1234, Sep 27, 2015.

  1. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    I'd wager the average rugby player could take the average martial art teacher in a fair fight.
     
  2. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    The set distance method is for circus performers. You can't expect people to stand still while you gauge distance if you want to hit people, rather than balloons stuck around people on a spinning disc ;)
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2016
  3. PsychoElectric

    PsychoElectric Valued Member

    Yip i think id be better off playing rugby than training ninjutsu.
     
  4. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    You'd be better off not trolling.

    Just some friendly advice.

    Forum rules.
     
  5. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    There, fixed it for you!

    ;)
     
  6. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    A bit of an aside, but often Soke throws things in a spinning way towards the face

    It won't stick in, but it's very disruptive and doesn't require exact distancing to be effective
     
  7. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    Thank you David, fun as it is, it's limitations are obvious. Would you care to expand on a more usable technique ?
     
  8. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Yes, of course, and sorry for sounding dismissive; I was just paying a flying visit and should have waited till I had the time to explain myself :)

    The first thing I read about throwing knives was by Gil Hibben, who I believe is a Karate guy who sells cheap throwers. He also teaches the fixed distance method. But you can throw at any distance, and obviously this skill is much more useful.

    Trouble is, I don't know how to explain the "any distance" method, other than to keep throwing things at any distance until they stick in most of the time! It seems like an impossible task, but at some point it clicks with your body and things start sticking in the target. I found you have to get "zen" with it - the more I think about a throw, the less likely it was to arrive with the point in the correct place. The best method for me was to walk away from the target, then turn and throw without giving myself time to think about aiming or spins or anything; then, more often than not, I could hit a playing card size target anywhere from 6 to 30 feet away, and not have it bounce off. To get a lot of practice in, I bought a kilogram of 6" nails and sharpened them a bit of a rotary grinder.

    Now, I wasn't that great at it, and it's been ages since I had a place where I can practice, so I probably can hardly do it at all anymore, but I got good enough at it to know that it is possible.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2016
  9. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    Spinning is generally a good way to add acceleration. I feel that throwing is a good skill to have for closing distance by distracting and limiting visibility, rather than the kind of "sentry sniping" you see in films.

    For instance, I reckon a handful of shuriken are unlikely to drop any bodies, but they might distract opponents just long enough for you to get in a more advantageous position, or even lower the odds against you by one.
     
  10. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    It's not as hard as people think to have a spinning projectile hit the target correctly almost every time. Trying to do different revolutions(or partial ones) is harder and requires a certain distance for each throw. There is a way to throw things so they spin just before they arrive, this is the easier method. Takes practice though, just like anything else. I wouldn't recommend it for shuriken or shaken either, knives and heavier weapons work better.
     
  11. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    The hell with that! Throw an axe and be done with them!
     
  12. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    Kind of what I was alluding to. Heavier weapons, especially blade heavy ones, will flip just before impact if thrown correctly. That way you don't have to try to judge distance or count revolutions.
     
  13. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Only if you have a spare axe - otherwise what would you cleave with???
     
  14. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    It may be apocryphal but I like the story of the American military looking into combat knife throwing. After many months of study they concluded "Don't throw your knife!". :)
     
  15. David Harrison

    David Harrison MAPper without portfolio

    I'm having a hard time visualising the physics of this. How does something fly straight and then flip at the last moment?

    Yeah, especially when you've got worthless things like bricks, bottles, snowballs, rocks, sticks or saliva to project at someone's face.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2016
  16. SWC Sifu Ben

    SWC Sifu Ben I am the law

    Please. The spare axe is for when I'm done with the other four :D
     
  17. jclevien

    jclevien Valued Member

    I am not an old guy, I have no rank, so I could only share my experience. I had a bike accident, and the sakki intention
    saved my life, since I had no time to think before the crash, just felt my body reacting alone and
    the last thing I remember was my bike destroyed below me, when I was flying over the roof of the car.

    Also, I had a discussion with an armed guy, not because of me, but he was in anger because a thief pointed with a gun at a work partner (this was in a taxi base). He got out his 9mm pistol, and I was unarmed. I stopped him and confront in his
    face, explaning that in the robbery my father was also pointed to his head, and the situation was a lot
    worse for me than his anger and desire for vengeance. Fortunately, he put his gun down.

    It was necessary to do this, because the patrol car was delayed, and there was no time to wait.

    That is known as kyojutsu, I didn't know it was, but I used the truth to convince him I had more right
    than him in that moment, so it was not necessary to fight.
     
  18. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    How does sakki manifest in an accident?
     
  19. jclevien

    jclevien Valued Member

    I felt like goosebumps in my body, and simply moved. I didn't took the choice, was only my instinct of survival.
     
  20. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    That is not so much sakki as your body bypassing the usual OODA responses - it is exceptionally common and does not require any training
     

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