Yes you are insulting my intelligence and experience, but don't worry about it, I like giving sympathy to the mentally ill.... I was once a little guy like you and I always ended up having to protect myself against guys much larger and stronger than me and I found out how to turn certain situations to my advantage. I grew much bigger, but still apply the same lessons now. After all, unless you absolutely have to, then you don't 'Grapple a Grappler' and you don't 'Box a Boxer'. (One of the reasons that I surmise that Kwan Jang and the others haven't continued answering this thread, isn't because they don't have the answers, it's just that you don't seem to be listening). Ice Hockey fights happen that way because it's impossible to knee or kick when on skates on the ice-all you can do is grab, shove, push and/ or hold on for balance and wail away with punches. And yes I see what you are saying about reach and range, but what would happen if instead of being grabbed and trying to match the guy with the longer reach and greater strength, punch for punch like they do, you capitalise on that grab and turn it to yr advantage? Besides we are not talking about Ice Hockey-Fu, we are talking about 'relatively normal' conditions. Unless you plan on starting fights at the local Ice Rink? (I would suggest you get hold of some Earl Montaigue Video Tapes for this, he's done a really good one about Grappling and how to turn Grabbing/ Holding/ Grappling attacks against you to yr advantage, he's a Ex-Wrestler and much-respected Tai Chi Chuan/ Bagua instructor). This is what basic Ju Jitsu techniques etc, be it BJJ or JJJ are for. You'd know all this if you took some classes... (NB When you originally came onto this forum, you stated that punching was useless, 'much better to kick and Grapple', now you seem to be a big fan of punching, have you changed yr mind, or did you get smacked in the head a few times?) Also he has grabbed you, not locked you or armbarred but a simple grab, even if it is under duress and there is much huffing and puffing. He has now used one of his hands, you have two spare, capitalise upon such things, before he can punch you (Insert way here). You seem to think very much along the lines of 'If he punches, I have to punch too' or 'if he grapples I have to grapple too'. Only Martial Artists have these daft sentiments and conversations. ask any normal, supposedly 'untrained' guy what they do and they'd probably say 'Whatever's neccessary or available'. It really is that simple, there are no set gameplans. Once again, just because you are in grappling range, doesn't mean to say that you have to grapple, just that you probably will. Look at any Muay Thai bout, just because one guy goes for a Clinch doesn't mean to say that the other reciprocates, sometimes they may, if they feel that they can gain some advantage in the Clinch, sometimes they will keep striking, sometimes they will use body movement and go for a throw. Same goes for a one on one Conflict. As for punching leverage etc, that's a whole different thread in itself and I don't have the time. Goto some classes and work this stuff out, the situation really isn't as impossible as you figure it to be and purposefully work against bigger stronger people. And as you are very fond of stating, you can always run, which with your current state of knowledge, is probably the best option, until you either learn to deal with this stuff or get into some serious S and M.