You've never even been to Thailand? Why did you say you had? What constitutes "right" with you? I'm a professional Muay Thai fighter and a Kru, I own a gym in south Thailand and raise my own fighters. I do things differently than you, clearly, but it's odd how different equals wrong with you. I'm taking it success in the style is irrelevant for you. You base right and wrong on preconceptions, careless trust, pride. The reason I bother to talk about it here is because it's a common view of farang and it's detremental to their progress in the style within Thailand. You're supporting a myth of Thai superiority. I won't use the regular words I use to describe people like you, as I'll get banned from the forum. Though there's little other way I can express the metaphor of being on your knees with your eyes closed and mouth open, I'll simply have to hope you'll wake up. Thai people are not a single entity, you know. There's some diversity here. In my experience, what I said is true. At te gym I used to train at, I remember watching a 13 year old boy who was already a stick figure running around the block in a sweatsuit at midday in the July sun, trying to cut down to get his next fight. As to what you believe natural weight is, I'm not sure, but this is not it: http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv104/Tenchu_/Teeping.jpg What this is, however, is a typical build for a Thai "powerhouse", as you claim. In 2008, I gained 30 kilo of mostly muscle, but some fat, intentionally, so I could fight superheavyweight, open weight - I don't give a damn for poncy weight cutters, I'll fight a guy no matter if he's 100 kilo larger than me. I also increased my power through my weight gain substantially. This just doesn't add up, and I don't think everyone will agree with you. Top fighters hit hard within their own weight class, but they got to where they were using their finesse, in Thailand, as opposed to power. There are very clear ways to increase your power, such as weight gain and powerlifting, but these are often mocked in Muay Thai (probably due to prejudice, where due to the fact that if Muay Thai became about power they would start losing out to farang, power is kept aside to protect the Thai image). Thailand has no heavyweight divisions, again to protect the Thai supremecy myth. Undergoing power and strength training would see a lot of Thai fighters turn light heavyweight, exposing them to foreign competition. The military will never allow for white domination in their stadiums. Perhaps I have a pesimistic view, and perhaps you can pass it off as a view rather than a misconception if you continue to disagree. Nonetheless, our disagreement is based mostly on what constitutes power. For you, it's striking hard no matter what your weight (I'm guessing you're a light/middle weight, and probably female). For me, it's about having actual power in strike, regardless of anything else (I.e. being the biggest kid in school, not just the biggest kid in your own class). This probably comes from the fact I've been obsessing over power for the last 3 years, and wont allow any concessions or excuses like you will. But there's a limit. You also seem to assume Thai fighters are the only ones who can achieve this level of technique, and hence power. Perhaps you're right. It had previously occured to me I may have been knocked out too many times and my brain might have been damaged. I may now lack the capacity to understand what causes KO's. Not my step son. He's Thai, and he couldn't knock out a rabbit. I guess that busts your myth of Thai KO power right in half. Scrawny runt he is. As for Thai fighters, perhaps it has yet to occur to you that knocking someone out is easier than you previously thought? The boy I told you about running around the block in a sweatsuit trying to get smaller, he won by KO with his elbows a lot... lost by KO a bit too. Surely you're not trying to say the kid is actually powerful? Anyway, I've been hit with both small fast things and big slow things. I stand by what I said, and there's no lack of "physics". Big claims? What, I'm a big Boxer and thus hit hard? No. Posting at your command is legitimizing your criticism. Besides, saying heavyweights hit harder is not something that needs to be "backed up" in a sensible debate, it's just common sense. I'm not attacking your view on power generation, anyway, if you havn't noticed. I'm attacking you because of your promotion of Thai mythology. I'd rather see pics of you at Kiatponthip giving Rob some good ol' fashioned ... never mind. Don't flatter yourself. I don't think most people here care if you respect them or not. I care what my father in law thinks, not what you think. Did you miss the part where I'm 40 or so odd kilo larger than Yod? I need to prove this? I will get called fat, no doubt.
No, I can assure you, they starve themselves whilst running in circles in the hot sun a few days prior to their big fight... sillys.
Hehehe... this is why I like being a coach for women's Boxing! The oil massages are also a buzz. But I'm just new to that. An excellent future I'll have as a "dirty old man" I don't agree. There's a lot of pressure, especially amongst growing teens who are constantly getting naturally bigger and trying to improve their skill to match teir weight. A lot of them prefer to try and stunt their growth, as ridiculous as that may sound, so they can progress more slowly and gain a better record. Between the ages of 12 - 14, you can put on 30 kilo and grow a foot taller. This is a big shock for a kid who's gone from childhood no power fights nearly straight into adult reaching power.
You don't fully understand it. There are two basic types of KO's. The most common is the jaw/face strike. What this is is there are a lot of nerves in the face (and especially the jaw) that connect directly to the brain. If you hit a thick concentration of nerves with a sharp strike, you will send an overload of signals to th brain, causing it to shut down. This is identical to a computer crashing - when you task a computer to too many things at once, it freezes. Same thing. The second KO is the harder - attack the brain itself. If a large enough individual places a heavy enough strike with a load of weight behind it directly on the skull encasing the brain, it just devestates it. The brain is surrounded by jelly and a bone as strong as a baseball helment, so you have to hit hard and be able to transfer raw power and energy through bone and jelly. If you hit hard enough, you'll shut down enough brain cells, like when you drink too much beer and have to sleep. This is rare, however. Even heavyweights still gain most KO's by attacking nerve points. What style do you do? Who taught you this?
Lol there's some much bullcrap in that post I'm not even gonna start. It's obvious you don't really know what you're talking about but you seem to have a chip in your shoulder the size of france. As it so happens my gym works quite closely with Kiatphontip. We've even got one of their fighters over coaching at the moment, a wee guy called Sorn. You may know him as Kiatyongyut. We send people to Kiatphontip every year. Next year, when I've finally gotten the time and money to go, there's a whole load of us going. And for the record, Rob Cox is a close friend of my coach. Lol don't go acting all superior because you're in thailand, really. To accuse me of nuthugging the thais is just rubbish. You do that then somehow claim to know what you're talking about simpy because you're in thailand? Seems a bit contradictory to me. Especially since there are just as many crap gyms in thailand as there are anywhere else in the world. The thai boxing scene here in britiain is relatively close, so I'm friends with many fighters who're a hell of a lot better than me. Most of them fight and beat thai's. but even they will agree that the thais are usually better because of a whole list of reasons. Not just because they're thai. But arguing about that is info for another thread - one that's alreaday been posted in this section. And I asked for video footage because you WERE making out like you can somehow kick a lot more powerfully than Yod. Go on then, let's see it. You calim to teach thai boxing in thialand - again, lets see you doing some pad adn bagwork and I can judge whther that claim is even relevant.
Ive ran with boxers in Thailand in the hot sun for a hour and a half while they have been in a sweat suit,we then went on to a herbal sauna and they stayed in there as long as possible,I also know that some boxers in Thailand have problems later in life due to Dehydration.
eh....i go to the gym to constructive critizim.....ill watch the terry fox story for insperation.....an internet was made for ****ing contest and bickering..... were else can i be a comlete expert an anything, and if i make a redculas claim i can do a goolge search and find an obscure refence to back up my story....i can call you out and be insulting with no repecutions......all this and remain anonomus....... btw if you have anything smart to say about this post......im challenging you to a fight.......oh cant make it to buffalo ny......yeah just what i thought....coward
i woudl guess that the cutting weight thing has alot to do with level of fighter.......for exampe here in american......low level amatur boxers....fight pretty frequntly....not alot of weight cutting......highlevel pro cutting becomes an art..... same in thailand?
I understand what you mean bro,however in Thailand the Boxers fight very regularly,if they are boxing in Major stadiums they have to make weight or loose cash from some promotions,however if boxing in the provinces the weight isnt so much of an issue .
I don't know what I'm talking about? You're going about saying that Yod kicks hard when he's just a middle weight. You're also saying Muay Thai is about power when there is no power training at all in the traditional style. Yes, Yod kicks hard within his weight class. No, that is not hard in general. Yes, Muay Thai strikes utilize massive amounts of body weight to hit with more power compaired to other styles. No, Thai fighters are not all about power. The majority of the training is ridiculous amounts of cardio and speed work that burns off any "excess" muscle. You talk as though I've got something to prove. I think you need to prove you're not delusional first. Like I said, there is training around known to increase power. It is not practiced in traditional Muay Thai and is shyed away from. I told you some reasons why, you laughed. Does it change I'm right? Can you name some power exercises in Muay Thai? I don't give a damn who your gym works closely with. Awesomeness is not acquired by association. One of their fighters, do you mean Rob's brother in law? Rob Cocks and I are well acquianted, also. Ask him about his friend who likes beer and pizza, you'll enjoy his earful by the sounds of it. We're on different ends of the Muay Thai perspectives. He has a process for dealing with people like you. I think it's called "business ethics" or something (as opposed to me, who likes to reffer to his training programme as "hard work and personal investment"). Kind of like how they process the customers at McDonalds. He does not make available to you the same skills as what you think are on offer. You will not take home any part of the skill of his upper end fighters. That's why we're so close, me and Rob. No, that's what you're trying to do - because you're somehow "connected" to all these wonderful fighters, you think you know something. Why are you even talking about it? Do I give a damn that Rob's brother in law or whoever works at your gym? I trust other people will see a fighter/gym owner/Kru in Thailand does know what he's talking about, however. How so? You constantly reffer to all Thai fighters collectively, failing to realize there are also low level Thai fighters, yet you persist they're all awesome powerhouses. You call me out as a moron for saying Yod is not a massive power kicker, regardless he's a middle weight. As pedantic as my arguement might be, I've highlighted your open mouth point of view quite clearly. You'll swallow anything if it comes from Thailand, and arn't even stopping to see if it's right or not. There's nothing wrong with what I said, that there are more powerful kickers than Yod, so why do you persist if you're not a not hugger? Because there are no heavyweight Thais, maybe? I know what I'm talking about because I make a living off it. I pay for my mistakes with money and blood every time. What are the names of these gyms? The only crap gyms in Thailand are tourist gyms, lowered in quality by the farang which infest them. Tiger is the worst, leading the charge of McDojoism in Thailand. Outside of the tourist scene, which is probably 99% of Muay Thai in Thailand [that is outside of the tourist scene], every single gym exists only to raise professional fighters. People do not do Muay thai here for a hobby. Yet here you are saying the country is full of crap gyms. Have you even trained at any of them? What makes you such an expert? How can a gym that prodcues a professional fighter be classed as crap, in any way whatsoever? Producing professional fighters who take a professional career is the goal of Muay Thai. By "just as many" you're inevitably including professional fighter's gyms, such is the ratio of them here. Stop posting BS on the internet. Here you go reffering to Thai's collectively again, regardless there's such a large variety of skill in this country. So how are they "usually better"? No one calls me a moron and then asks for a favor and actually gets it. You've got a lot to learn about the world. I also said I was 6 and a half feet tall and weighed 110 kilo. I think you're the only one who is going to need video proof in this whole world. I can also lift heavier weights than some of the lower weight Olympic weight lifters. Do I need video proof than that, or isn't it just going to be obvious that being double someones size gives me more strength? Bit of a no brainer. Like, duh. Judge? Are you serious? What do you mean by relevant? I own a gym, a very small one in rural Nakhon, and we produce professional fighters. They're all children right now, but, as I just opened. How is my claim in need of judging? Are you going to critique whether or not my 10 year old step son is performing his left hook correctly and thus reflecting my skill as a Kru? I think the judges on the ring side will do for me. So I'm having fun. Tell me more about how awesome the Thai are, as a collection of superior fighters where no low skill level exists...
Yes, you're getting confused. I though most people knew this - children and adults generate different levels of power.
Yes, it's amazing training. Did you feel the massive increase in power after losing 5 kilo from that? LOL
Who told you that? Fighting outside of Bangkok is perhaps more competative than in Bangkok itself. There's a horde of Thai fighters here all wanting to be the next big thing. Fights are carefully matched and are set at very specific weights, with fighters often having themselves set up at weights constantly below their natural bodyweight, making for constant diet and running. Provincial fights are taken very seriously, and there's a very real and high level of skill availiable in these stadiums - anyone who's been will confirm that.
I presume your asking me how I heard about the second part of my post ie about the weight not being so much of a issue in lesser valued fights,well bro I have seen it myself,and had my own boxer involved to. Of course I didnt mean this happens all the time but does happen where as in the major stadiums we both know how strict the weights are. I agree there is a real high skill level in province fights,I have seen the skill level many times myself,but I have also seen novice fights the same as we would see hear in the UK,plus I have seen and heard of Thais drinking before being called to fight and other things that go on that arent relevant to this topic discussed here at the moment.
Drinking? I'll pay attention to the you have "heard" part until I've seen it myself. Unless the plan was to go down in the first round LOL I doubt it. Keep in mind I'm talking professional Muay Thai - there are some popular village shows happen in some places, where they might be ****ed as a fart, yes, and they may also wear blindfolds or something else funny. Not same. There are novice fights around, also, but only below age 15 or so as far as I've seen. Gyms do not accept students over the age of 15 or so as, training them for free, it's unlikely they'll return any profit through fight money if they havn't been groomed since child hood. If you've seen a novice fight of men in their twenties, it probably was not meant to be taken serious - guys who used to train when they were a boy, but stopped for a long time and then all of a sudden thought they'd get back in the ring just for a bit of fun. Not the same as Westerners who think their first fight they're having in their mid twenties is the biggest moment of their life LOL
I understand you live and train in Thailand and you run your own camp bro which must be a great learning curve in itself,and much respect for doing so,but please keep in mind you may not have seen everything yet:0. I have seen boxer have a beer before fighting and up until recently have trained with a Lumpinee veteran(Songchai promotions) who has told me many storys which I belive. Its always good to see these things for yourself of course which I have and you havent as yet but maybe one day!. By the way just for the record I have trained in Thailand 25 times(26 soon),spent around 3 years there and trained with some good people,Hippy Sigmanee,Sagat Porntawee,Chorb Rawee,and many more,I have also been involved in Muay Thai for almost 30years so although I dont know everything and Im still learning I have seen quite a bit of what goes in in and out of the ring. Chok dee khap.
Skarbow is like that, and I think he's been in Thailand once or twice. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDTuFKqhafM"]YouTube - Jean-Charles Skarbowski Muay Thai Highlight[/ame]
LOL JCS is awesome eh Kuma have you seen him on TUF?, Of course Im quite sure when he was at the top of his boxing game he didnt drink but well we are all human eh,sometime the difference beetween the champ in Thailand and the boxer who nearly makes it is the sneaking back to camp late and the little drink,cigarette and girl here and there
He was on TUF? I quit watching several seasons ago, got bored with most of it. My Muay Thai instructors have some of his Kings Cup fights and one of them's actually met him before. Said he's a stand-up guy, a hell of a fighter, and can drink you under the table and then some.
