how common is lama/lions roar?

Discussion in 'Other Styles' started by furinkazan, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    I encountered some reading on the tibetan arts recently, but for some reason I cant even find a school in tibet when using google. I take it it's not particularly common under those names?

    Also what are the significant differences between fujian white crane and tibetan crane?
  2. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    I doubt it's extant in Tibet anymore. In England you'll find it under the names Hop Gar and Pak Hok Pai.
    Fujian Crane and Cantonese/Tibetan crane really couldn't be more different.
  3. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    [ame=""]白鶴派-六力拳 White Crane (Pak Hok Pai) - Liu li Quan - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]Sifu David Chin's Hop Gar Single Wing Flip Form - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]Hop Gar kung fu -- Dai Lohan Kune Form -- 侠家 大罗汉拳 - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]Lama Pai Kung Fu - Dai Gum Gong Kyuhn (Greater Diamond Form) - YouTube[/ame]
    as opposed to
    [ame=""]Yong Chun White Crane - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]Yongchun Crane forms - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]patterns 1 to 5 fujian white crane kung fu - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame=""]Sifu Liu Chan-i and Feeding Crane Kung Fu - YouTube[/ame]
  4. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    I found a guy in Bury who teaches this, on top of other stuff as well. Not sure if he's been talked about: Sifu Chris Lomas of Manchester Kung Fu.

    the place also teachs Hung Gar, Bagua, splashing hands, Zimen, Southern Mantis and Xing Yi, and offers distance learner programmes on a full day set up as and when available (which to be honest, suits my work and study hours perfectly for now). That actually covers almost everything I was tempted to look into training abroad once I have my Masters Degree finished, so I might give this a look into.
  5. slipthejab

    slipthejab Hark, a vagrant! Supporter

    If it ever was extant in Tibet to begin with. I'm guessing if you look closely at the history there will be very scant information if any that it took root in Tibet. Having spent a lot of time around Tibetans - most of them know next to nothing about Kung Fu or martial arts other than what they see on copy DVD's and VCD's from western and Chinese films. Martial arts are not prevalent in Tibetan societies at all. The closest you'd find in wrestling in Mongolian societies or the boxing and TKD that practiced in West Bengal state where they have large Tibetan exile populations. One possible link is the founders or exponents such as Ah Dat-Ta of styles like Lions Roar and Sing Lung who apparently brought it out of Tibet... or as the case maybe Qinghai - which was for centuries a Tibetan dominated area.

    There are also of course several regiments in the Indian army that comprised of Tibetans - the Tibetans aren't foreigners to martial culture. Though they don't use Kung Fu because they'll just shoot you. The Tibetans spent a good many years warring with Muslim groups during the middle ages. These Muslims groups were mostly of Persian, Turkic or Arabic descent. Despite most peoples image of Tibetans they had a warrior culture for a very long time. But this wasn't down to training in a martial arts style codified like we now train martial arts.

    I'd suggest if you're interested in the history of such lineages that you look towards the Muslim Chinese martial arts and see if there any links. But hard facts historically speaking are going to be either very non existent or completely impossible to come by.

    Anyone claiming Tibetan lineage is going to have a very hard time actually showing how what they train or teach links back to Tibet or Tibetans. I'd imagine much of it is more of a modern day marketing technique than anything identifiable as truly Tibetan.
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2014
  6. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    As slip said. - you won't find Muslim Indian or just generally Indian martial arts outside of wrestling. There was limited weapons styles among certain ethnic groups in the 50s but most weapons stuff is now more similar to HEMA in northern Indian areas.
    The advancements of the gun made the sword irrelevant and that part of Asia.
  7. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    is this guy in Bury known as a good teacher?

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