Habitual Acts of Violence (HAOV) was a term coined by McCarthy, which listed and described the most common initiating attacks. I thought it might be interesting to explore defences against each of these that I've found listed (if anyone knows where I can get an extensive list, please post). The first two of these involves a swinging punch to the head (the first being initiated by a push). How would you defend against this attack?
grab block, shoulder lock, knee to the ribs. if not finished, pressure point on the tricep to numb his arm, or elbow smash him. i wouldn't keep hitting him, as he probably wouldn't wasn't trying to harm you to death, but more of just an aggressive argument.
I'd prolly wait for the hook to come(assuming this is ur punch ur talking about) and counter it like i do all these combos(along with a basic tackle this is how most USA school kids fight) side step, catch the arm at the elbow and smash the guys face with my forehead. After that if it's not over I keep my side postion and roundhouse kick them right in the solar plexus, and hopefully it's over.(I've never had a fight last more than that.) Just my basic experiences. -NeonxBurst
Usually when people try to push you in that manner they stand square on, so if you dont want to be fancy about it deflect the hands outwards and kick them in the groin.
How the heck did you knee end up a face level? Unless you've gone arieal right off the bat... Ok... picking the attack apart, it's a swinging attack to the head. Basically a loopy roundhouse. So it's a circular technique. And that means that it starts to develop real power once it passes the shoulder line. After that point it's a diffcult punch to block without taking some form of hit. So there are two options, fade far back out of range and hope that it's soo loopy that the followup will be very delayed. But that's risky as you don't sometimes know for sure what the person's range is (or if they are holding somehting that extends there range). So even though you back up you may still remain within stiking range (and in the highest power zone of the technique). So as I moved back I'd also get a block up "talking on the telephone" style. So I perfer option 2, crash the center and jam the technique before it develops power. I would use a spearing motion. My inside arm stiking solar plex across to clavical. My outside arm would intercept the bicept line. From there I drive the person back with an explosive forward motion and if needed convert to elbows, knees, and hand rakes. Now if the push was hard enough to off center me so I can't move forward off of it, I'd have to go to option 2. If I'm aware enough of my surroundings, I might actually convert into a backwards roll. That's a little higher risk than I like, but I need to make space fast and get off the line of the attack. However, should I go to the roll, I'll be back up immediately and reengaging.
Assuming the attacker is roughly my height, a knee to the face would be pretty easy. Although, it may require a lil hop, but that add more power, alternatively, I could grab them by the base of the skull and pull their face into it.
Defending against a push is a technique called "twisting serpent". As the attacker arms come in you deflect the arms down in an "X" pattern...that would be your right hand (his left) under your left hand (his right), then use a right back knuckle to strike the temple while shuffling in. A normal punch could be taken care of with one of the simplier moves called "mantis strike". Let's say he swings with his right. 1. I would Left outside block with a right groin kick. (this would make him bend forward) 2. Right elbow strike (to attackers left jaw) follow by a right backfist (to attackers right temple) 3. Shuffle in. 4. Left side fist (to attackers right jaw)
Knife hand block to bicep (ouch!) followed by a push kick or a right cross depending on how I was feeling.
(nice post Matt... I like that response quite a bit) Hmmm... a push and then a hook punch. Here's a few I would use off hand: (1) The push will throw me back so I presume he will step in to punch... from here I will bring my hands up, throw a front kick to the inner part of the leg just above the knee to collapse the leg and step in with either a strike to the face (if he seems really serious) or a brush-trap to grab the arm and lock him into an escorting technique (if possible) (2) Step inside and bring both arms arm like a wedge into his inner elbow area to jam up the strike... as I bring my knee up to strike the inner thigh (if he's open) or the other thigh (if he's closed) or the groin (if he's really open). From here, probably a back sweep (hook the achilles and pull forwrd). Let him drop and either escape or drop my knee on his head or chest (while keeping my body upright to prevent him grabbing me). (3) Step outside 45 degrees and forward and jam his strike to his inside. kick to rear of leg or strike to side of head. (4) Step into his strike and jam into his inner elbow... grab, turn and throw.
Too much complexity Thomas, but very well said none the less. I like number three just because it seems to be pretty ez to do. I'd also like to point out though that since you're a high school teacher and a high ranking Martial Arts practicioner(sp) that you without a doubt know how to handle a scenario like this much better than I could.
One thing alot of responses to questions like these never takes into account is impact. If somebody throws a Haymaker at you, whether it connects to your head or not, it will still ring your bell, due to how much force is being thrown at you, so... Salakhaang. A word in Thai that describes what you might call a 'Talk on the Telephone' Block. Basically they push you, okay you move back with the push, allowing yourself the space and then they throw a Haymaker, Fold your arm up besides your head, so that your elbow point points forwards and crash inside the haymaker, with the Point of your elbow spiking either their bicep, deltoid, collar bone or face. Think point of elbow---his face. A covering and attacking manouever all in one go, from there follow up with EG Sok Ti (Downward Circular Elbow, sometimes called Swimming Elbow, because the mechanics are like a Front Crawl), as soon as you feel the point of your elbow hit some meat. Hit Beat Hit. Don't forget to move your feet in order to create Forward Drive, you want to bowl this idiot over. When you are practicing Salakhaang, make sure that the hand of the folded arm, is beyond your ear drum, as you don't want your own arm to slap your ear drum, when the adversaries Haymaker impacts. You can of course follow these simple things up with myriad techniques, but I always feel that it is important to bear Impact in mind, a Haymaker can knock you from side to side, if you don't have a strong base, so best leave kicks to your follow ups once you have dealt with the initial punch.
Thomas, Thanks for the compliment. I like most of what you posted, except... Number 3. While I dig the idea of the arm isolation, I don't like the idea of moving 45 degrees against a circular technique. That causes you to pass through the power band of the technique before you get to a safe place. And that scares me. I personally hate the idea of traversing where the punch is at it's most powerful because it get's to a game of speed at that point. Against a straight technique I'll go 45. But circular, I go straight line. Am I missing something? - Matt
Trying not to sound too much like a critique Thomas... Number 1) Decent Covering Action, but I prefer the Savate kick Coup de Pied Bas instead to the kneecap and scape down the shin, planting into his foot, with shoes Crunch...Problem with attacking the Thigh with a Front kick is that it's got less guarantee of it being pain-inducing. But Horses for Courses.. Number 2) is a standard Ju Jitsu/ Hapkido cover (bit like Tony Blauer's Stop), decent enough, but I'd spear one elbow into the meat of their arm and the other into his face-makes up for lost time, by slipping 45 degrees inside his guard (same as what you are saying, but I'd slip that extra distance to get within Kissing Range), if I get chance to move and don't do a Glenn Danzig.... 3) I feel that you should duck under the oncoming Haymaker to the outside and slip 45 Degrees, preferably throwing an elbow on the pass to his Floating ribs/Open palm or Uppercut to their groin etc. Problem with trying to step outside a big looping punch, is the chance that you might just step onto the end of it, as you don't know where it's looping to. The pressing/ fold across their body of the punching arm is fine and dandy, once you're outside. 4) When you say Jam, what do you mean and with what part of the body, jam by digging in the elbow?, jam by cover across the body with the opposite forearm/ hand??? Jam by covering and then chopping his inside elbow joing with a Knifehand?? Just my Five Euros...
Matt, Matt, Matt... you diligent little reader, you. After I posted it up and read it, I realized that against a wide hook, it wouldn't be the best idea but it would be good against a straight. You are absolutely right and my mistake.
I missed your response while I was replying to Matt's I go for right above the inside of the knee or scooping the shin above the ankle... to drive them back and off balance (and derail some of the energy from their strike coming in). Striking the thigh can be done, but as you say, there's less chance to unbalance him/damage him if you don't hit hard enough. A scoop or similar strike will at least unbalance them. I follow you there and we do that as well... sometimes using the blade of the forearm to strike across the neck and set him up for a guillotene from there. For me it jst depends on how my body ends up in relation to his... if it's far, go for the knee strike to the thigh + sweep... if very close, use the forearms or elbows. -See my reply to Matt previously... my mistake... I was thinking of a straight. I step inside and turn so that my same side hand will hit him in the wrist area (or lower forearm) and grab... and my cross hand should catch him in the inner elbow area. As I grab and turn in a circular manner I can throw him.
Actually I's opt to take the inside elbow/forearm to the chest clavical because then I'm attacking closer to the center of mass which should stop forward progress. Hitting the face, while great for trauma may not stop that progress as well. Thomas, had a feeling that might have been the case. I love using the 45 off a straight energy so I'm with you on that. A favorite chant in our school is: straight line beats a circle circle beats and angle angle beats a straight line. - Matt
A Danzig, is that what we're calling it now? My turn Two variations of the same technique. Iron Arms: Similar to a boxer covering, both arms up. Simplest variation turn slightly at the hips Iron Arms step in and horizontal hammerfist, finish with neck lock takedown if so inclined. More complex: Iron Arms, drop inside arm enough to slide behind the elbow and snake back in to go for the throat, while applying downward pressure to the wrist (creates standing keylock), complete take down by turning hips, You can also add the pressure point behind the opposite ear with the index or middle finger while squeezing the throat with the other fingers. The nice thing about this is you don't have to hurt them, once your caught in this hold it becomes real clear that this fight is over. You could just hold them till the police come.
Yes fair enough, my elbow is always wafting somewhere near the Bermuda Triangle of the Face/ Neck/ Chest/ C.B etc. It's all good, well not for the attacker, but then that's their tough luck. And Yes, let's call the counter to the haymaker a Danzig, in memory of those who forget to follow up their push with a strike, (not Push and Poseur Glenn...).
