Hakama

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Freeform, Sep 7, 2002.

  1. Virtuous

    Virtuous New Member

    I love my hakama, It makes things looks so fluid and graceful. The folding and transport isnt that much of an ordeal any more, if you do it enough it becomes second nature. I can fold mine up and have it in the bag in less than 30 seconds with out much effort now. It gets to be a real pain if you 'loose' the pleats :).
     
  2. timmeh!

    timmeh! New Member

    I wanna Hakama, I WANNA HAKAMA!!!

    Tintin, can we have hakamas??? I know Shodokan don't have them, but we're in Scotland so no one will see....

    pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
     
  3. Kwajman

    Kwajman Penguin in paradise....

    Whatever happened to the poster who wanted a plaid hakama? Haven't heard a followup to that one, tho the akimac song was hysterical.....I have an elderly chinese man who lives a few houses down from mine who practices weapons in a hakama, but he does kata in a regular gi. I've asked him what art he practices but he just smiles and says its "Just something I do", tho I know its something specific like Kung fu, wushu, or karate....
     
  4. Kwajman

    Kwajman Penguin in paradise....

    How about picture post thread w/everyone who has one in their hakama...?
     
  5. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    That would be me. Head instructor at my school said "no." But McRok.com is interested in selling tartan hakamas. Peter over there is making a template to see if he can do it.

    Don't start me laughing again with that song. (It was hysterical indeed!)
     
  6. Sub zero

    Sub zero Valued Member


    hm.
    That would either look really cool or really really crap.Hmmmm. if u can get any pics whenever that would be cool.
    Altho i can't imagine that tartan would be the best thing to train in.I mean a whole hackam of it would be really heavy, thick and hot.
     
  7. SPAWNPAIN

    SPAWNPAIN New Member

    :p I was allowed to use a hakama since the first day i started trainning aikido, i ask my ju jutsu sensei if was it possible for me to wear the hakama at jujutsu classes and he did agree , he said that the japonese people use to wear in the past when they practiced their jujutsu so why not do it nowadays. :) I think he is right.

    :eek: I understand that the hakama is used so you can learn how to use your feet while you are in a technique , randory or kumite and with the pass of the years you will be able to fight without falling down. :)

    Am i wrong Aikimac ( web mentor ):p ?
     
  8. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    I don't know if there is a definitive explanation for the hakama. Some people tell me it's to hide the movement of the feet. Some people tell me it's to keep your back straight. Some people tell me it's to remind the wearer of the virtues that make up the Samurai code. Some people tell me, "It's tradition. And O-Sensei made a really big deal about wearing the hakama." Probably all of these explanations are simultaneously true.

    The Doshu will be in California next March. I'll be getting a black hakama to wear at his seminar.
     
  9. SPAWNPAIN

    SPAWNPAIN New Member

    oooooooooooooosssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuu
     
  10. 47Ronin

    47Ronin New Member

    The hakama were used by Samurai originally to protect their legs while riding on horse back through brush and what not.

    Thought I should just let you know ( I have a pair too :D)
     
  11. Misogi

    Misogi New Member

    The Hakama was a way of life for the samurai. During battles in feudal Japan, the hakama was meant to hide the movements of the feet. Aikido, Iaijutsu, Kendo, Naginata, and Kyudo which are the core elements of Budo all encourage the use of the Hakama.
     
  12. surgingshark

    surgingshark Valued Member

    I want one with a shark pattern!
     
  13. 47Ronin

    47Ronin New Member

    Sharks aren't cool..........
     
  14. surgingshark

    surgingshark Valued Member

    So you're saying you want a Spider-Man 2 pattern?
     
  15. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    I think I'll stick with my black hakama .... all I need to do now is survive until 4th dan and i get a black gi too!
     
  16. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    oh yeah i for got to mention .. I've seen hakamas with paterns before ... they just don't look right.
     
  17. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    Really? An iaido school shares the building we use for aikido. Most of the iaido students have hakamas with patterns and colors.

    I bought an ordinary black hakama this month. Can't go naked to see the Doshu in March.
     
  18. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Yeah I've seen a few with the stars n strips and a few others with stars in all kindas of colours. Can't say i liked them much. Not that it matters that much to me since my teacher would never allow us to wear something like that.
     
  19. Dave Humm

    Dave Humm Serving Queen and Country

    Info lifted directly from the Aikdo FAQ

    A hakama is the skirt-like pants that some Aikidoka wear. It is a traditional piece of samurai clothing. The standard gi worn in Aikido as well as in other martial arts such as Judo or Karate was originally underclothes. Wearing it is part of the tradition of (most schools of) Aikido.

    The hakama were originally meant to protect a horseman's legs from brush, etc., -- not unlike a cowboy's leather 'chaps'. Leather was hard to come by in Japan, so heavy cloth was used instead. After the samurai as a class dismounted and became more like foot-soldiers, they persisted in wearing horseman's garb because it set them apart and made them easily identifiable.

    There were different styles of hakama though. The type worn by today's martial artists - with "legs" - is called a joba hakama, (roughly, horseriding thing into which one steps). A hakama that was kind of like a tube skirt - no legs - another and the third was a very long version of the second. It was worn on visits to the Shogun or Emperor. The thing was about 12-15 feet long and was folded repeatedly and placed between the feet and posterior of the visitor. This necessitated their shikko ("knee walking") for their audience and made it extremely unlikely that they could hide a weapon (retainers suited them up) or rise quickly to make an attack.

    The 7 folds in the hakama (5 in the front, 2 in the back) is said to have the following symbolic meaning:

    Yuki = courage, valor, bravery
    Jin = humanity, charity, benevolence
    Gi = justice, righteousness, integrity
    Rei = etiquette, courtesy, civility (also means bow/obeisance)
    Makoto = sincerity, honesty, reality
    Chugi = loyalty, fidelity, devotion
    Meiyo = honor, credit, glory; also reputation, dignity, prestige
    In many schools, only the black belts wear hakama, in others everyone does. In some places women can start wearing it earlier than men (generally modesty of women is the explanation - remember, a gi was originally underwear).
    O Sensei was rather emphatic that EVERYONE wear the hakama, but he came from a time/culture not too far from wearing hakama as standard formal wear.

    "Most of the students were too poor to buy a hakama but it was required to wear one. If they couldn't get one from an older relative, they would take the cover off an old futon, cut it, dye it, and give it to a seamstress to make into a hakama.
    Since they had to use cheap dye, however, after awhile the colorful pattern of the futon would start to show through and the fluff from the futon would start to work its way out of the material."

    Saito Sensei, about hakama in O Sensei's dojo in the old days.

    "In postwar Japan many things were hard to get, including cloth. Because of the shortages, we trained without hakama. We tried to make hakama from air-raid blackout curtains but because the curtains had been hanging in the sun for years, theknees turned to dust as soon as we started doing suwariwaza. We were constantly patching these hakama. It was under those conditions that someone came up with a suggestion: "Why don't we just say that it's okay not to wear a hakama until you're shodan?" This idea was put forward as a temporary policy to avoid expense. The idea behind accepting the suggestion had nothing to do with the hakama being a symbol for dan ranking."

    Shigenobu Okumura Sensei, "Aikido Today Magazine" #41

    "When I was uchi deshi to O Sensei, everyone was required to wear a hakama for practice, beginning with the first time they stepped on the mat. There were no restrictions on the type of hakama you could wear then, so the dojo was a very colorful place. One saw hakama of all sorts, all colors and all qualities, from kendo hakama, to the striped hakama used in Japanese dance, to the costly silk hakama called sendai-hira. I imagine that some beginning student caught the devil for borrowing his grandfather's expensive hakama, meant to be worn only for special occasions and ceremonies, and wearing out its knees in suwariwaza practice.

    I vividly remember the day that I forgot my hakama. I was preparing to step on the mat for practice, wearing only my dogi, when O Sensei stopped me. "Where is your hakama?" he demanded sternly. "What makes you think you can receive your teacher's instruction wearing nothing but your underwear? Have you no sense of propriety? You are obviously lacking the attitude and the etiquette necessary in one who pursues budo training. Go sit on the side and watch class!"
    This was only the first of many scoldings I was to receive from O Sensei. However, my ignorance on this occasion prompted O Sensei to lecture his uchi deshi after class on the meaning of the hakama. He told us that the hakama was traditional garb for kobudo students and asked if any of us knew the reason for the seven pleats in the hakama.

    "They symbolize the seven virtues of budo," O Sensei said. "These are jin (benevolence), gi (honor or justice), rei (courtesy and etiquette), chi (wisdom, intelligence), shin (sincerity), chu (loyalty), and koh (piety). We find these qualities in the distinguished samurai of the past. The hakama prompts us to reflect on the nature of true bushido. Wearing it symbolizes traditions that have been passed down to us from generation to generation. Aikido is born of the bushido spirit of Japan, and in our practice we must strive to polish the seven traditional virtues."

    Currently, most Aikido dojo do not follow O Sensei's strict policy about wearing the hakama. Its meaning has degenerated from a symbol of traditional virtue to that of a status symbol for yudansha. I have traveled to many dojo in many nations. In many of the places where only the yudansha wear hakama, the yudansha have lost their humility. They think of the hakama as a prize for display, as the visible symbol of their superiority. This type of attitude makes the ceremony of bowing to O Sensei, with which we begin and end each class, a mockery of his memory and his art. Worse still, in some dojo, women of kyu rank (and only the women) are required to wear hakama, supposedly to preserve their modesty. To me this is insulting and discriminatory to women Aikidoka. It is also insulting to male Aikidoka, for it assumes a low-mindedness on their part that has no place on the Aikido mat.

    To see the hakama put to such petty use saddens me. It may seem a trivial issue to some people, but I remember very well the great importance that O Sensei placed on wearing hakama. I cannot dismiss the significance of this garment, and no one, I think, can dispute the great value of the virtues it symbolizes. In my dojo and its associated schools I encourage all students to wear hakama regardless of their rank or grade. (I do not require it before they have achieved their first grading, since beginners in the United States do not generally have Japanese grandfathers whose hakama they can borrow.) I feel that wearing the hakama and knowing its meaning, helps students to be aware of the spirit of O Sensei and keep alive his vision.

    If we can allow the importance of the hakama to fade, perhaps we will begin to allow things fundamental to the spirit of Aikido to slip into oblivion as well. If, on the other hand, we are faithful to O Sensei's wishes regarding our practice dress, our spirits may be more faithful to the dream to which he dedicated his life."
    Mitsugi Saotome Sensei, "The Principles Of Aikido"

    DaveH
     
  20. Mr Blobby

    Mr Blobby New Member

    Hakama - always used to.

    Hakama were standard dress for all traditional Japanese arts (including music and calligraphy), and are retained by all classical ryuha. The white dogi without hakama was introduced in the Meiji period (after 1867) as a modernising Western influence to make budo into sport, whence come modern karate and judo.

    Practice any classical art in Japan, and you'll realise that hakama are the norm; black, blue or white, for iaido, jujitsu, kyudo, jodo, naginata-jitsu, kendo... The list goes on.
     

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