I apologise Clyde. As I said, I dont know if the rumours are true or not, so I wont dwell on them. My issue is not with Mr. Tatum, but with this guy in Ireland. What is my issue? Frauds. Plain and simple. I detest them, and I feel that there are too many false claims being made in Kenpo today. Please understand that I absolutely do not consider Mr. Tatum a fraud. Sorry again if I offended you. Regards, Dave.