well you see yur defination of a martial art is based on the philosophical gogosh that is often dumped on to MA to make it seem like its a good thing for smal children to learn. I know several eastern MAist that lack the same common courtesy that many olympic fencers lack. I am one of those peopl who doesnt think that the ART in martial arts is the extra bits like bowing and humility and such. I veiw a martial art as a system of technques designed to potentially inflict hamr nto someone else. The ART in it is the skills learned IMO. Can Olympic fencing be used to kill and maim? yes id rathe not be on the other side of an epee,ive handled a few when I was doing re enactment fighting. ould you want to get hit by a semi rigid unblunted piece of steel?