Dual wielding

Discussion in 'Weapons' started by friendly virus, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. friendly virus

    friendly virus New Member

    i had this doubt the other day.

    in movies and stuff like that, we see that if someone uses two japanese swords, he uses 2 katanas.

    but the Miyamoto's style was wakizashi and katana.

    so the question is this are there any records of someone that uses two katanas, is it effective to do so, or is it just something invented by the movies to look cool, and the correct form to do so, is Wakizashi/katana?
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2013
  2. Lockjaw

    Lockjaw Killing you softly

    Long sword in the main hand and a short sword in the off-hand, the wielding two full length katana at the same time is impractical.
    Sword styles in Japanese Martial Arts use a combination of either the katana and wakizashi, the wakizashi and tanto, or katana and the jutte simultaneously, but either way, there is a long and short blade used to be able to negotiate both long and short range combat.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2013
  3. Chris Parker

    Chris Parker Valued Member

    It should be noted that there aren't any absolutes, though. There are some systems that utilize the daisho in the "off hand", and kodachi in the "main hand" at times... or two kodachi at the same time. But I haven't ever seen two daisho in any ryu, it's just a bit too unwieldy, as well as robbing a number of key advantages of using different sized weapons.
  4. aikidoka-je

    aikidoka-je Blue Floral Belt

    In my old Aikido group, we where taught to wield two swords as a way of strengthening both arms and improving concentration.
  5. ap Oweyn

    ap Oweyn Ret. Supporter

    I can't speak for Japanese swordsmanship specifically, as that's not my game. But in most of the "dual wield" combinations I can think of, the weapons involved are either differing lengths (e.g., espada y daga, florentine, ni san ichi, if I got that right) or both short (e.g., doble baston, double sabres or daab in the Thai arts, or the dimacherii gladiators). Generally too difficult to authoritatively wield two longer weapons simultaneously.
  6. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    Double long weapons are common in Chinese arts. The big issue with double Katana is that Katana is a hand-and-a-half sword, so the hilt makes dual wielding difficult.
  7. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tXl6xv8Sks"]Choy Li Fut - Spear vs Double Broadsword - Two-person Weapon Set - YouTube[/ame]
  8. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    Using two swords together like your typical Japanese sword is difficult, but some schools do it as a training exercise. I've never seen it in embu.

    You're better off using two thrusting weapons together such as two rapiers, though I think rapier and dagger is better overall. That being said, using two rapiers together is pretty neat, and looks (and is) impressive. Not for the novice by a long shot.

  9. shootodog

    shootodog restless native

    Niten ichi ryu?
  10. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    No dual-long-sword in Niten Ichi-ryu.
  11. Janno

    Janno Valued Member

    Been playing with dual machetes a lot. Filipino martial arts contain dual weapon formats as standard (matched/unmatched pairs, with impact and/or edged weapons), and these can be easily adapted to suit a wide range of weapontypes.

    That said, i find a steel katana is somewhat unwieldy with one hand (despite the existence of the niten-ryu style). If experience has taught me anything, it's that one should always observe the way a weapon system has evolved. If it's a two-handed weapon, use two hands. If it's a one-handed weapon, use one hand. Just because it's possible to use a two-handed weapon with one hand, or a one-handed weapon with two hands, doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. Especially in a situation where your life depends on it.

    In my opinion, it would be akin to doing room-clearance with a crossbow...
  12. PointyShinyBurn

    PointyShinyBurn Valued Member

  13. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    Ever train formally in it?
  14. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Read the Gorin no Sho.

    You will see what Musashi Sensei had to say on such things, it's not like he just though "ah heck this'll be cool I'll give it a try".
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  15. ScottUK

    ScottUK More human than human...

    Having trained a lot in katate-waza (both in iai and kenjutsu) both as a kihon for tenouchi and also as actual waza, I can assure you that it is not unwieldy.
  16. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    Using a light weapon in the off-hand reduces the penalty for both hands by two, improving your THAC0. You need the Two Weapon Style proficiency though, unless you're a ranger.

    (Somebody had to do it....)
  17. LilBunnyRabbit

    LilBunnyRabbit Old One

    THAC0? Outdated. Using two weapons is a -6/-8 penalty without the proficiency - going to -6/-6 with a light weapon in the off-hand and reducing with the addition of two-weapon fighting feats from the tree. :)
  18. Kuma

    Kuma Lurking about

    I'm old school baby.
  19. Ben Gash CLF

    Ben Gash CLF Valued Member

    I miss Halo dual wielding. Plasma rifle/needler combo was awesome.
  20. KSWCreg

    KSWCreg New Member

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