Disable martial arts? Really?

I'm sorry, but I have to speak up about this. Disabled martial arts? Really? How effectively do you think a person in a wheelchair can defend themselves against an able bodied person? How effectively can a person with no arms defend themselves against a person with arms? Should we even teach people with mental handicaps martial arts? How effectively do you think a blind person can defend themselves against a person who isn't blind (please don't refer to Master Po from Kung Fu)? The only types of disabilities that people can have and still feasibly do martial arts are though people who could study with able bodied people anyways (such as the deaf). I'm not trying to be cruel, but we all have to accept our limitations. It would be a waste of time for many of the disabled to study martial arts as they would not be able to implement it for self-defense purposes. They would be much better suited doing something else.

Please don't hate me for being honest.

 

Being honest? Really? Ignorant more like it!

First off you need to differentiate between martial arts and self defence second you need to get an education about both physical and mental disabilities.

 

My thoughts:

* Accept your limitations, yes.
* Ideally, train to become the best you can within your own limitations.
* Don't give up just because you have more limitations than average.

And here's a link to a thread that I very highly recommend you watch if you think a person in a wheelchair cannot benefit from MA training:

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89652

 

lol. I figured as much. People simply can't handle the truth and can't look at things objectively. I'm not here to make friends. You don't join forums to make friends, you join to discuss topics. You make friends out in the real world, not online.

Aegis, you certainly are immature for an admin. Your rationalization does not follow and you present your argument in a demeaning manner that make me hesitant to want to listen to you, though I will.

First of all, there is a large difference between an able bodied person defending themselves against another able bodied person and a disabled person defending themselves against an able bodied person. A blind person won't have all the information they need to attack effectively. A person in a wheelchair will be easily kept at a distance. A person with no arms will not be able to grapple and will have a difficult time getting up if knocked over.

Secondly, it is NOT a waste of time for people to study martial arts if they never have to use it, because they will at least have the ability to use it when the time comes. It is waste of time for a disabled person to study martial arts since a disabled person (with the exception of a few disabilities such as deafness) won't be able to defend themselves when the time comes.

Third, I find the argument "better with training than without" unfounded in using it to justify disabled people studying martial arts. Time is a limited commodity. Just because one is better with training then without, doesn't mean the time spent training in everything and anything is worth the while. If the time spent training doesn't yield significant results, it is a waste of time.

Fourth, who said I was giving up on disabled people all together. Certainly, Stephen Hawking has made great contributions in his field. But, to put people who are physically disabled in the same arena as people who aren't physically disabled is like putting people who are mentally disabled in the same classroom as people who aren't mentally disabled.

Lastly, one of reasons that disabled people might want to study martial art is that people encourage them to do so instead of being honest with them. If you want to train in martial arts and you're disabled, more power to you, but you have to be able to get in the ring with someone who is able bodied (and I'm talking full contact, not point sparring). If you're disabled, you're most likely not going to get attack by another disabled person, but a fully able bodied person.


BTW, cosmic fish, the video you posted says "removed by user." Also, thank you for being the only one who is willing to discuss this rationally.

 

Just maybe the disabled person is training to show that while his body may be "broken" his spirit is not.

 

Yet again you demonstrate your lack of knowledge of not only martial arts and self defence but also disabilities.

Maybe you should go and read up a bit and get some actual experience of what you are criticising. Then maybe you could engage in an informed discussion.

 

While you're at it, why not stop by Tra Tellingman's gym and tell him he's foolish to think he could ever use his training in a real fight. Tell him that his disability will make him less able to protect himself than an average joe off the street who has both of his pectorals. Tell him it was stupid of him to fight in UFC and he should be sitting behind a desk at Bank of America.

http://www.makli.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/tra_telligman3.jpg

Or tell Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira that he should have joined the chess club after his debilitating childhood accident because there's no chance in hell he could EVER succeed in the martial arts world.

Or what about Kyle Maynard who's an amputee with no arms or legs but did surprisingly well in wrestling and actually entered the cage for an MMA fight. Just how many times have you had the balls enough to participate in an MMA fight?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSHDWmhyDeA"]YouTube - Kyle Maynard MMA Fight Auburn Fight Night (April 25, 2009)[/ame]

Or this old grandma in a wheelchair with an automatic weapon? [I love this video haha]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7iz1HTh9U"]YouTube - Old woman shoots MP40 Machine gun[/ame]

What about if you get mugged and the guy pepper sprays you? Or you get smashed in the arm or the leg from behind with a baseball bat and it shatters the bones, rendering the limb useless? What if you find yourself in a hostage situation where you're tied up? As mentioned above there's many situations where you'll be handicapped by your attacker before the fight even begins.

You want to talk about how "no one else is thinking objectively" when you've made the most uneducated generalized comments out of everyone. A down-syndrome kid with a knife could destroy the most in shape and skilled martial artist in the world. I understand the basis for your opinions, but your lack of understanding on the subject is glaringly obvious.

 

He's a troll.

 

Truth and Junkie seldom go together,

 

This idiot is obviously going to be banned. (edit: post by person in question using offensive language deleted by mods) This little child shouldn't even be dignified with a post record.

 

Lol

so how much full contact Kenjutsu have you seen of late?

None I would think.

So does that mean it's bullshido and only taught in Mcdojo? Really does it?

Lmao you are clueless about pretty much everything you have commented on.

I'm not even going to go into your ideas on special educational needs and inclusion because you have no idea so I don't see much point.

 

Nice one Aegis. They guy was a clueless muppet.

 

These videos speak for themselves:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b9ENAsSsWQ"]YouTube - John Riccio, Overachiever[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7i6mj3wFRk"]YouTube - John Riccio talking about Living Life to its fullest[/ame]

 

at my club about 3 months ago - walked in 2 guys. both disabled. one is partially blinded. one i COMPLETELY blind

they both wanted to learn, my instructor wants to teach, so they joined. since joining they have learnt EVERYTHING a 'able-bodied' person would learn at that level.

AND they are testing in 2 weeks - its about WILL and DETERMINATION. Not if u have a disability.

I think this thread is disrespectful slightly.

 

2nd dan with cerebal pausey that trains at my club

i dare you to spar him...

he might not be able to block with both arms, but he makes up for it with speed.


cycstic fibrossis and in MMA? sheesh, that seems a little dangerous, from mylimited knowledge, it can affect bone structure and it will affect your physical ability a great deal.

those videos are heaps inspiring.
ima go research him a little.