remember this is the same guy who made a post about how people should put their belt rankings in their signature so he would know who is worth talking to. I wouldnt take him very seriously (or listen to him at all for that matter)
Huh??? Tim and Ikken: Are you guys trying to start arguments? I read American_HKD's post as agreeing with you and supporting your argument. I took his post as saying that if you look at the rules, there are lots of places where HKD techniques are fully legal. And, he didn't call anyone "dumb"... he used "dumb" as an adjective describing "discussion"...
He said it's a dumb discussion. That means tarring us all with the same brush. If that's not what he meant, he should type better.
Greetings, None of you may be actually dumb, but then again I never really met any of you. :woo: I thought it's obvious that a MMA event means a mixture of MA techniques from different styles. Right? So one can safely conclude Hapkido would be allowed also, as long as if you agree to follow the rules of the contest. Right? Smart thinking Huh?
Styles are irrelevant and meaningless, therefore this discussion is meaningless. Tell me, someone, what is a "hapkido technique"?
Sadly, this view will never be accepted. There will always be those who want to use teh street as an excuse regardless of what the rules actually are. The overwhelming bulk of hapkido techniques should be legal, so it would work fine as long as it was all trained live. Whether or not it is is down to how you train at your club.
Good post. If we all train properly there shouldn't be a huge difference between how we all train, and style names become increasingly irrelevant. The only reasons to not include something from a different style that's proven to be effective are sporting rules and stubborn arrogance.
So in other words, despite the fact that he was agreeing with you, you chose to pile on and attack him???????? Reminds me of middle school around here sometimes. Anyway, on the topic, as I stated earlier, I think Hapkido can be used in MMA, but I think it would be good to get more ground training and training in the specific strategies of an MMA match. One of our former students is getting into MMA (he won his first match), for him, his TKD and Kung Fu background has made him a very good striking (and a little different than many of the guys he works with... they note his speed especially). He had a real basic background in grappling from us but has since cross trained at a NHB school and improved that aspect, as well as strategies for the ring. Honestly, I'd be happy with my general background if I wanted to do MMA, but I'd want to be a bit younger, fitter, and cross train in MMA specific tactics (and a bit more ground).
Well, a majority of our techniques end up with (are supposed to at least) a joint either hyper-extended, broken or dislocated. In a large part of our takedowns we teach that when you take someone down and you are side by side with them, you finish with your body weight and knee into their ribs. Body shots are taught to be delivered to specific open locations. Parts that are more sensetive, more fragile. Its not just a wild punch to the chest. Its purposefull strikes to the sternum, kidneys, ribs. And we don't just use the fist. Knees, elboes, palm strikes are all taught to be used. We teach students to not just punch, but be sure that you are striking in a way that is effective. We also teach that one must always follow through withyour techniques and apply finishes. We just don't train for the sporting aspect.We focus on aggressive self-defense. For sports of course we would apply proper use of force, and train accordingly. A HKD stylist knows what techniques would not be appropriate in a competative arena.
That was hardly me piling on and attacking him. He just sounded like he was calling us all dumb, not agreeing with me. You know I sound a lot worse when I really am piling on.
So your telling me that purposfully breaking someones elbow, wrist, knees, all that is legal and accepted. If so then nothing still changes. Its all in the training and preperation, and as I said before" Yes HKD can be used, if a fighter prepairs properly."
For the last time... the techniques themselves are perfectly legal. The only difference is that the person on the receiving end will tap before the actual breakage takes place. The application is exactly the same.
I think part of the preparation really lies in the mental aspects as well. As a Hapkido practitioner, my main weapons are first and foremost awareness and avoidance. My primary tactics that I learn are defensive. My goal is to get out of a situation as quickly as possible with as little damage to myself as possible and the bare minimum damage to my opponent as possible (legal reasons mainly). I also am going to look to use distractions, surprise and any weapons I can to preserve myself. In a MMA match, much of this is changed: I cannot avoid the fight, I cannot escape, I cannot grab a weapon, and the element of surprise is lost. The basic structure for my self defence philosphy has been lost. The MMA fighter has the right philosophy for the match: he is looking to attack and finish me within the confines of the rules and regulations of the match. He is aware and conscious of anything I attempt (for example, where I may be able to use n escorting technique or joint lock on an unsuspecting drunk, this guy won't be distracted and set up for that). For me (as a Hapkido guy), I think I have the basic tools... but I'd have to spend time re-arranging my philosphy and tactics to excel in this kind of match. That would mean additional cross training. And, it would mean training to get as good (or better) than the guys who do this as their primary art... that's a tall order. Now, put the MMAer in my ring, and I have some things that he probably hasn't trained for in his regular classes (but that he could cross train to do).... let's see how he handles the surprise, being caught off guard, being attacked with a weapon or multiple attackers or shot or stabbed. The rules are different... and I think each art has the right pieces for each situation, but you need to train in those situations.
If you can't handle an opponent who attacks you WITH warning, how are you going to handle someone who attacks WITHOUT warning? Come on Thomas, I thought I knew your posting style better than this. You're not seriously suggesting that you can take on multiples or people with knives and guns?
