Just some random ramblings from me really... I've been training Rickson Gracie BJJ for two years now and love it. To add to my training and get a different angle, I've also started training with another association, which is also great and I'm loving learning some new techniques/variations. The newer of the two (for me) has a strong competition ethos so the training is slightly different and rolling is in five minute bursts and position, unsurprisingly, is important. But this is what I struggle with. In Rickson's style there's a simple mantra - improve position, maintain, submit. The training is very self defence oriented first and foremost and there's a philosophy of giving what you get - ie. If there's no threat, why expend energy fighting? So, when I roll there, a session can go on for ages because the fight is about the submission. I like this. In competition however, it's about points (I guess ultimately submission). Now I haven't competed yet, but training at this new club has given me a lot of confidence in the skills i've developed in Rickson's style over the last couple of years and I feel confident against the vast majority of other white belts and, playing the longer game, could submit most...but in a competition, I'd probably lose because the other person could get cross-side for example, which for me, has limited threat. Just strikes me as odd. All BJJ is very effective, but is there a risk that some could lose sight of BJJs purpose? Dunno - just thinking really, any thoughts?