Beginning Martial Arts

That would have been sweet to see!

 

I have met so many "exponents of ki" that it is no longer amusing.
Ki is intention +fighting spirit.
The rest is supposition.

koyo

 

In other words. The students are brainwashed into believing, they are bullied into believing and humiliated into believing. I've seen this happen first hand and walked away from a Ki Aikido club after 10 years of practice because it started down that slippery slope to the reject bin.

Take a loan individual and put them in a room with 20 "believers" and that loan individual will instinctively want to be like everybody else in the group. This "instinct" is biologically hard-wired into our brains. Scientists have even pinpointed the exact group of specially adapted braincells responsible. Incidentally this behavioural instinct is also a key part in the way humans and other primates learn new skills.

So you go to a martial arts class. You're shown Ki being used to knock people over without touching them half a dozen times. Next it's your turn. There's a degree of success. The key wammy worked on you too so it must be real.

Wrong! You're simply doing what you subconsciously or even consciously think your supposed to do because you've just watched it happen to the believers half a dozen times. The more your exposed, the more it works on you.

Interestingly however, the second you don't play by the rules of the game the house of cards collapses and either a copious flow of excuses and reasons begins to flood out or an irate torrent of "how dare you question me" comes thundering your way.

 

No one would, because its a western way of thinking, its not a martial artists way of thinking. of course most videos brought to our attention are of frauds who are trying to take advantage of todays media BUT if YOU were a kiai master, would you tell the world? would you go out and look for a fight? would you go on Randis show and prove him wrong?
I can tell you right now that f you were able too, you wouldnt even have an account here.
martial artists dont draw attention to themselves, they acctualy try to keep attention OFF of themselves, (true martial artists anyway). I can see that this is an argument neither of us will win, BUT think of what I asked, would YOU go around hurting people just to show that you can do something different?
and in any case Randi has only ever had half wits on his show, and as far as I can remember he tries to proove PSYCIC abilities t be false, he said nothing of energies (such as ki or chi). his entire show is based on imaginary laws of physics, can be (and probably have been) broken.
just because you dont believe it because you cannot see yourself ever being able to accomplish something like kiai, doesnt mean it is not as dangerous as even karate, or boxing

 

Well when someone flatly denies the testimony of another who has personally witnessed first hand how these falsehoods and lies are perpetuated then you're right. There's no point to the discussion.

Go your way in peace brother.

End of story.

 

The only dim mak I know to work has a delay period of indeterminable time. Sometimes it weeks, more often it's years. Sometimes up to 50. Guaranteed if you have the patience.

 

^ lol.

 

This has been discussed and yes, he will literally give you a million dollars for proving Ki exists. Way not to do your research again.

As a martial artist, reading your drivel up to this point had been a pain.
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In closing i would want to say that the non cursing policy of this forum has made me resort to words i would not normally use.

 

Hello? This is planet earth, i don't have to have asked everybody in the world to boil water in their hands to know that it is not possible, i don't have to ask everyone to fly to know that the human body can't do it, it simply doesn't have the capability. Human vocal chords are not capable of causing injury directly (but possibly causing discomfort). If you want to pursue this line of inquiry by all means do so and i, for one, would certainly be interested in your results. Keep it real Tai-gip, and are you still there anyway?

 

P.S. I must stop thinking that the quick reply box means it's the end of the thread...

 

thats exactley what they said to newton upon his dicovery of gravity.
kiai is not about using your vocal chords
its about using your muscle's to send vibrations into your oponent. whoever said kiai is about screaming is flaud.
you dont use your voice box, you use your abbs and othermuscles to force air through your mouth creating vibrations and so on ad so fourth, the sound of the yell is only caused because if done correctley there will be a sound.
karatekas dont yell and scream, they breath.

 

I tend to think Newton's arguments were more logical and thought-out than yours have been so far.

Ah, right, so the Japanese had no idea what they were talking about when they named it "spirit yell".

So now kiai is about super breath? Let me find my cape and my red and blue underwear...

Just a note, my Aikido Coach loves the kiai, and insists we "make noise", but it isn't because it's some "super weapon." It's because:

1. It forces you to breath. Something that beginners (like myself) tend to forget.

2. It adds power to your strikes by contracting the abdominal muscles, etc.

3. The aggressor may not be expecting you to make noise, so the kiai may have a pyschological effect on him.

Actually, don't quote me on the last one, I think he mentioned that, but it's been a while since the conversation and I'm not 100% certain.

 

KI means fighting spirit and intent.
Ki AI means to "bring together" the breathing ,intent and technique so as to make the action more powerfull.You can vocalise this or not..just as effective either way.

Kiai is NOT the noise it also permeates the body as the strike is kime'd (focused)

regards koyo

 

Reuniel,

I've already shown you in a previous thread you don't know as much as you think you do. So why not entertain the possibility that you could be wrong here and listen to these folks who have, in all likelihood, got a fair bit more experience than you.

 

look say what you want, Im done arguing ( and if you believe its because Im wrong and an idiot so be it). I cannot explain why or how Kiai works but it does, your all entitled to your opinions as am I.
As for the "screaming", your suppossed to breath in a way that causes you to make an involuntary yelling noise when doing karate or jujutsu (japanese masters teach ou how to breath first then as you prgress and your breathing becomes stronger it ends up in a yell). if you know what your listening to and what your listening for you can easily tell the difference between someone who just yells as loud as he can, and someone who is breathing properly.

 

Ah, the "Taking my ball and going home" argument.
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