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Old 02-Apr-2017, 08:09 PM
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My mother is a paranoid schizophrenic and she hates taking her medication (pretty sure it's a trait of schizophrenics!). She goes off on how it makes her fatter and on how it "turns her into a zombie". She's a Christian, very extreme beliefs and quite gullible. She believes that praying is enough and would work better than her medication (she's 100x better on medication).

You've got to ask yourself whether you would prefer a guaranteed solution to acid reflux; medication that is proven to work and which MAY cause damages. Or a solution that has little to no scientific evidence of working and in all likeliness does not work. Weigh it up and decide for yourself.
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Old 02-Apr-2017, 08:28 PM
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My mother is a paranoid schizophrenic and she hates taking her medication (pretty sure it's a trait of schizophrenics!). She goes off on how it makes her fatter and on how it "turns her into a zombie". She's a Christian, very extreme beliefs and quite gullible. She believes that praying is enough and would work better than her medication (she's 100x better on medication).

You've got to ask yourself whether you would prefer a guaranteed solution to acid reflux; medication that is proven to work and which MAY cause damages. Or a solution that has little to no scientific evidence of working and in all likeliness does not work. Weigh it up and decide for yourself.
Or one can not look at it like an either or situation. Like Latikos, I am using a mixture of both to see what works for me.

1. changing prescription medications to one that has been out longer, but does not have studies showing the same risk of potential kidney and memory issues. It isn't quite as effective, but it helps and doesn't have the same risks- so far anyways.

2. making changes to my lifestyle.

3. AND trying a natural remedy.

See, this is what I expected when starting this thread. People jump to any slight criticism of western medicine and refuse to acknowledge any flaws to that system at all.

My original point being that it has benefits, but is not a perfect system either.

Yet so many responses have read it as an entire condemnation, or a complete refutation. Even though I have taken great care to clarify that is not the case.

I find that reaction so very interesting.

Latikos, I have a similar situation with another medication. It carries a risk of osteoporosis. But I get that checked every year or two. So far, my bones are quite fine. It is a gradual thing, so I would be able to catch the problem and make adjustments to my treatment if a test came out poorly.

Also Latikos, what made you decide on the natural medicines on top of the prescription ones? I am curious. Thanks!
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Old 02-Apr-2017, 08:40 PM
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thanks.

That on its own is a very small study.

if your using cider vinegar to neutralise the acid, calcium carbonate (egyption folk medicine predating jesus too), or a gaviscon type mixture will be much superior.
Interesting, I didn't know Gaviscon had its roots in folk medicine. Thanks for that information.

I have used it, and it does help. I currently have a call into my Dr about using it on top of the other medications. There are no drug interactions listed.

But I want her ok to be using Nexium (as I am still not completely off of it yet), Ranitidine and Gaviscon.

The trick is managing the weaning process carefully. Slowly changing over without taking too much of varied medicines.
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Old 02-Apr-2017, 09:05 PM
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Latikos, I have a similar situation with another medication. It carries a risk of osteoporosis. But I get that checked every year or two. So far, my bones are quite fine. It is a gradual thing, so I would be able to catch the problem and make adjustments to my treatment if a test came out poorly.
Similar here: My blood gets testes four times a year, and if the results would show negative side effects, my Doc and I would take a look at what and how to change.

Funny thing is: At first a psychiatrist wanted me to take them, but I refused. That one never mentioned blood tests at all, during the talk.
My family doctor on the other hand, told me about that right away, when he was trying to "convince" me (he didn't talk me into it, but he made sure I got his points. Then he gave me a few weeks, after that gave me some pills, so I could consider taking them or not).


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Also Latikos, what made you decide on the natural medicines on top of the prescription ones? I am curious. Thanks!
That was actually the other way around.

I went to my family Doc, because I had real trouble sleeping properly for months.
He strongly advised against real sleeping pills, due to their addiction-risk, but prescribed me "my" natural sedative: It's called "Sedacur Forte" and is made of hop, valerian and melissa.

So I took that a while and roughly two and half or three weeks later, one of my teachers told me, how I had changed the last two weeks.

These pills made me stop hiding all the time in a corner, I was more talkative towards people I trust and generally more open and approachable; I was able to answer in sentences and not just "Yes/ No", so to speak; I can talk to the parents of the kids without being totally stressed out and teach the kids as well; I'm able to go to seminars (I still need someone to go with me, but at the seminar itself it works better) and even assisted during two; ...

Such points made me realize, what this product did to me and how it changed me.
Honestly, I don't know if I would have noticed without one of my teachers mentioning it.
He also notices after a few days when I stop taking my medication (did that twice), just as well as he notices nearly right away, when I take it again.
Which is - in all honesty - quite sobering.


The antidepressant came later.
I only take them for roughly three quarters of a year now.

My guardian mentioned it even before my Doc, for two reasons: The depression-symptoms came back and my tics really got bad.
The latter started to annoy people (myself included; I don't think they were annoyed out of malice, but because it made them nervous as well) and quite frankly got annoying and interfering - especially when they started not only to be a jerking, but also a hissing sound made its way.

As a side-effect I really started wondering if they were my fault and even talked to my doc about it (who told me, that that's a dumb thought and definetly not my fault), but I still felt bad about them.

So that, plus triggered depression-symptoms after very bad news for me, made me decide to actually try it.
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Old 03-Apr-2017, 11:37 AM
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See, this is what I expected when starting this thread. People jump to any slight criticism of western medicine and refuse to acknowledge any flaws to that system at all.
You only have to look at the pharmaceutical industry to see the flaws in Western medicine.

That in no way undermines the scientific method though. As philo said, science makes no distinction between "natural" or "Western".

No experiment or study is perfect, but any verifiable evidence is better than no experiment or study.

It's interesting to see your reaction to this thread. It seems as if you have a false dichotomy between "natural medicine" and "Western medicine", and you have looked at responses through the lens of your expectations.
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You only have to look at the pharmaceutical industry to see the flaws in Western medicine.
Yeah, I think that there's definitely room to criticize the role of money in the health industry, and even health professionals, but so often these are used as an attack on the scientific system as a whole. It strikes me as unproductive. Cases like say, the medical community's treatment of obesity, need more research, with better oversight, not less.

It's somewhat weird the way the failings of 'alternative' medicine aren't examined as a failure resulting from the departure from that system, eg same thinking that goes into vaccine denial is used to support acupuncture and such.

Both cases seem like failings due to a departure from science and research.
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Yeah, I think that there's definitely room to criticize the role of money in the health industry, and even health professionals, but so often these are used as an attack on the scientific system as a whole. It strikes me as unproductive. Cases like say, the medical community's treatment of obesity, need more research, with better oversight, not less.

It's somewhat weird the way the failings of 'alternative' medicine aren't examined as a failure resulting from the departure from that system, eg same thinking that goes into vaccine denial is used to support acupuncture and such.
Yes, and when money corrupts scientific methodology, that is not the scientific method, that's plain greed.

I think it's also a big mistake to presume that alternative medicine doesn't get researched because it's not profitable. I think that is largely spin from people who make a very good living from alternative medicine, because it feeds straight into their USP: something magical, or mysterious ancient folk wisdom that cannot be explained by modern science.
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hmmm might be good to try option 1, just to see how effective that other meds is.
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