Yoshida chokes out Gracie

Discussion in 'Judo' started by Syd, Jan 9, 2004.

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  1. Sonshu

    Sonshu Buzz me on facebook

    True not as a rule but if you look at the

    MATT HUGHES vs CARLOS NEWTON - 1st fight it does look like Hughes is out and by the time he falls to the mat he is awake and fighting again.

    Food for thought but most times if your out your out cold.
  2. saikyou

    saikyou New Member

    yoshida is just concerned about the safety of royce. who knows what will happen if that choke was not stopped?
  3. totality

    totality New Member

    royce would've led us through a boring 2 hour match of "domination," with no submission in sight.

    ...like the second fight.

    or, who knows. maybe rickson would've laser blasted them both.
  4. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    He can do that? ;)
  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Yep...AND leap tall buildings in a single bound!

    I saw the first match and IMHO Royce was ripped off. When Wallid put him out he went under and happily said so. Royce would have gladly admitted a loss to Yoshida if the choke had been anything like on. The fact he didn't strongly suggests to me he was "jipped"
  6. Guy Mendiola

    Guy Mendiola New Member

    Royce didn't care if he lost because I bet he knew he could've beat Yoshida but Yoshida got Royce in a choke but yeah Royce wasn't out then.
  7. totality

    totality New Member

    excuses, excuses....sigh.

    when was the last time royce subbed someone?
  8. saikyou

    saikyou New Member

    december 16, 1994. he defeated dan severn.
  9. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    Yeah, ive got the full match. It's 40.1mb if anyone wants it. I'll have to send it over msn tho!

    I thought it looked like Royce was concious as well, but when i take a second look at it, he didn't seem to be doing anything to show he was alright, he was just laying there not moving at all so i could understand why Yoshida was declared the winner.
  10. Cain

    Cain New Member

    40 mb.......it'll take me half a day to d/l.........can you spread it on kazaa or upload it somewhere by any chance?

  11. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    I was going to cut it up, and compress it to something smaller so i could put it on my webspace but it's .wmv extention and Adobe Premeire dont like them so ill need a wmv to .mpeg converter.
  12. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter


    Computer geek-speak!!!!

    Although if you do get it working gimme a shout ;)
  13. Pika

    Pika New Member

    Top grapplers are noted for resting and waiting for opportunity. IF Royce goes "limp" he could very well be taking a breather. Take a look at Genki Sudo. Notorious for having a break and then exploding into some of the best subs you will ever see.....

    I think the main problem here is not whether the choke was on, but the ref stopping it at Yoshidas request. Here we have a match with agreed upon rules, where the home town fighter calls upon the ref to break those very rules........

    Just to stir up a hornets nest. Take a close look at the choke, I dont even think it was on, Royce isnt even defending it...... :eek:
  14. crovax612

    crovax612 Valued Member

    He didn't look out to me

    Here's two links of the alternate angle (which pride japan didn't show...even though they always show at least three different angles after a fight's over)of Royce supposably getting choked. one of the commentators (think it was Bas) even says it was a pre-mature stoppage.


    http://onthemat.com/video-mma.html (video is near the bottom)

    I think it was just the ref who screwed up. From what I heard Yoshida was asking him if Royce was out. I think it would have been difficult for him to know, seeing as Royce wasn't being very active.
  15. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    Excellent post :D I can't imagine the pressure placed on ref's sometimes...
  16. Guy Mendiola

    Guy Mendiola New Member

    I had a feeling that it wasn't a submisson because yeah Royce wasn't really choked out.
  17. Yukimushu

    Yukimushu MMA addict

    Yeah; the ref didn't see him reaching in getting some breathing space so i dont blame him for ending the fight. The ref's main concern is the safety of the fighters, and if he see's one fighter choking the other, and the other one doesn't appear to be moving then i really dont blame him for ending it.
  18. Dave Rees

    Dave Rees Old Git!

    RESTING? RESTING??!! Yeah right! I admire the Gracies & BJJ but come on!!
  19. Infesticon #1

    Infesticon #1 Majesticon

    how do you tap out if you're unconcious?
  20. Ikken Hisatsu

    Ikken Hisatsu New Member

    from yoshidas position, he cant really see whats going on. the ref should not have stopped that fight, but I wouldnt blame it solely on yoshida.
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