Wondering if this is a McDojo or not

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu Resources' started by xweaselkingx, Apr 5, 2007.

  1. xweaselkingx

    xweaselkingx Valued Member

    Hey, I was wondering if this is a McDojo or not, because I'm really interested in learning Ninjutsu (Or Silat, but there's no clubs in New Zealand that I found) but My sister (Hapuka) Has her doubts about a teacher that teaches different martial arts e.g. Ninjutsu and Kickboxing. Here be thy website of thy school, arr.

    And about the Teacher:

    Sensei has completed the following martial arts qualifications:
    4th Dan Blackbelt - Ninjutsu
    4th Level Executive Protector, Bodyguard Australia (ATAF)
    6th place in World Kumite Fight 1995
    1st Dan Blackbelt - Tae Kwon Do
    1st Dan Blackbelt - Karate Do
    Thai Kickboxing Title
    Kung Fu Instructor Rank

    And also I was wondering if anybody goes to this Ninjutsu club. Thanks
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2007
  2. Boxerboy

    Boxerboy Valued Member

    thai kickboxing title? ask him in what division, that is easy to verify.
  3. ninjapiratecapn

    ninjapiratecapn Est. 1986

    First off, there are only three ninjutsu styles that have survived until today, and the only organizations teaching those are the Bujinkan, Genbukan, Jinenkan, and Toshindo. He does not mention any of those organizations on his site, and also does not mention any current ninjutsu masters, nor does he tell under whom his 4 dan is... suspicious.

    Secondly, there is no Kokuryu. If there was such a style at one time (something I seriously doubt) it's gone now.

    Next, he refers to himself as a "kung fu" instructor. Kung Fu is just a general term for chinese martial arts. If he really had an instructor rank, I'm fairly certain he'd name the style in which he had such a rank.

    Now, I can't say this for sure, but I doubt that any legitimate martial arts instructor would have anything like this "Team Gladiator" crap he peddles. And it says there he allows alcohol in his dojo!

    After googling the "World Kumite Fight" he claims to have placed in in 1995, we only get one hit... his web site! Sounds like a Frank Dux-style Kumite lie to me...

    My advice: don't train with him.
  4. nooneofimportan

    nooneofimportan New Member

    dojos in wellington

    there are a few around in wellington NZ

    for the bujinkan jissen dojo.
    There are also bujinkan kiwi dojo in mirimar and I believe that VIC uni also has a ninjutsu dojo.

    good luck
  5. saru1968

    saru1968 New Member

    Kokuryu Black Dragon Ninja

    Says it all really!

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  6. saru1968

    saru1968 New Member

    In the style of Monthy python......

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  7. Cuchulain4

    Cuchulain4 Valued Member

    hahaha @ world kumite fight!
  8. elftengu

    elftengu Banned Banned

    He hasn't even mastered not spilling his dinner down himself!
  9. Jissen NZ

    Jissen NZ New Member

    Hi xweaselkingx,

    please feel free to email mail me if you are interested in practicing with us.


    Mark Humphris
    Bujinkan Jissen Dojo
    Wellington, New Zealand
  10. kouryuu

    kouryuu Kouryuu

    Yep, this guy is another cowboy :bang:

    There are good authentic Bujinkan instructors in NZ, Simon Gaunt for one, he's been training a long while and is in Japan regularly, there's a link to him on my website.
  11. Tiger_ARVN

    Tiger_ARVN Valued Member

    LOL. Those guys remind me of Cobra troops from G.I Joe.
  12. Supermanpunch

    Supermanpunch New Member

    Hey bro, I train here and have found it far more realistic and effective than anything else I've tried.
    The best thing you can do is come along and check it out and then go check out the other Dojo recommended here. You should be able to get a good idea of which is best for you.
    To take a class at each of Wellingtons legit Ninjutsu schools will only take you a few nights and you'll get to see them all first hand rather than just getting a bunch of uneducated opinions.
  13. Yohan

    Yohan In the Spirit of Yohan Supporter


    Listen to the man, he speaks truth, even though he may be training at a non-traditional ninjutsu school.
  14. Grimjack

    Grimjack Dangerous but not serious

    A picture can replace a thousand words.

    In this case, this picture is saying "stay as far away from us as possible."

    And don't follow the advice of people claiming to be students of this guy. Take a look at the "Ninja- Hime" thing to see a great example of someone sighing up here to praise themselves while posing as a student.

    The picture really says it all.
  15. bvelto

    bvelto Valued Member

    I would agree that it's questionable... If he left one of the above groups after gaining that rank, it might be different, but without seeing his scrolls (his, not someone else's Photoshopped versions like in a different thread... :) ), I would suspect his background is somewhat, umm, contrived.
  16. whiteshadow711j

    whiteshadow711j Hiding in the Shadows

    "NZ Head Instructor - Dai Sensei Gavin Johnston
    Dai Sensei Gavin Johnston (Sensei) has been teaching martial arts in New Zealand and around the world for the past 17 years. Sensei brought the Kokuryu Ninjustu style to his home country New Zealand in 1991, after studying overseas for many years."

    this is directly from the website.

    O K ? From where overseas ? and from who ?, I want names, I want dates, I want the location he trained at, I want a picture of him with his ninjutsu teacher, and I want his teachers contact #'s and address, if his teacher has passed on, I want contact #'s to his teachers family so he can be verified.

    If he can provide all this and it checks out and it is real then and only then will I believe..
  17. Zannen!

    Zannen! Banned Banned

    It is pretty sad when I am in Japan, at my desk and have to quickly scroll through and glimpse the crazy photo so my fellow teachers at the Jr. High (Japanese teachers) don't think the western world is totally F'd. I really hope the photo was a gag photo.
  18. ninjapiratecapn

    ninjapiratecapn Est. 1986

    It's not a legitimate ninjutsu school. Secondly, these aren't uneducated opinions. Most of us have extensive martial arts experience, and experience in dealing with frauds, which unfortunately are all too common in the ninjutsu community. We see this kind of thing all the time, and it is obvious that your instructor is at best VERY dodgy, and almost certainly a fraud.
  19. newblack

    newblack エピクフェイル

    It's bad, that's for sure. Coming from New Zealand makes it feel even worse.

    In my time in Japan I've only met one instructor from New Zealand. It might have been timing, I don't know.

    As Norm said, Simon Gaunt is, from what I've seen, your best bet. Contact him and ask his opinion.

    My recommendation, stay well clear of this group.
  20. Brad Ellin

    Brad Ellin Baba

    So. Many. Things. Wrong. With. Site. And. Pictures. Must clean coffee off of keyboard now.

    Seriously... read their history of Ninjutsu and then do a little research.

    As for uneducated, I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Neener neener neener.

    What ninjapiratecapn said. A lot of us having been doing the martial arts (and in my case, this in particular) for a long time. Half of my life for me. I think our opinions are a bit more educated than you give us credit for.

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