Women in Martial Arts

Discussion in 'Women's Self Defence' started by ICT, Mar 7, 2004.

  1. Kwajman

    Kwajman Penguin in paradise....

    Hello there, while I think you'd best get your flame proof undies on, I'm here to say, I know where your coming from. There are some social circles that feel it very unfeminine to participate in "physical" sports like MA's and such.

    I have traveled all over the world and taught scuba diving for 10 years while living overseas and know that it does take a slightly different kind of woman to participate in these types of sports. Normally, women who are "soft" or very feminine would never consider these sports as a pasttime. Guys possibly, but not women. I know the huge majority of women in MA's really aren't that feminine, some are. But then my idea of a feminine woman differs from most of society. **readies the flame shield**

    My ex-wife was a "girly girl" type who would never consider ma's as a sport. Those types just don't do martial arts. While I disagree with your methods of raising your daughters, I understand. Thanks for contributing!
     
  2. Drunken Miss Ho

    Drunken Miss Ho New Member

    LOL :D
     
  3. Kunoichi

    Kunoichi Valued Member

    I wasn't brought up with a father which to be honest I'm glad about. I've learned through my own life experience and have never lived under strict parenting. It was my own motivation that made me work hard in school, its been my own motivation that I've worked through college on and its my own motivation thats making me work through university along with working part time jobs at the same time to keep some extra cash rather than relying on my mother. My mum has always been supportive of any decisions Ive made and its for that reason I think ill do better than if I was forced to do everything because Ive learned independence, responsibility for my own actions and that there are bad people as well as good people out there. Open mindedness made me try MAs and I've found that training keeps me in good shape, helps my confidence and independence (I'm not afraid to stand up for myself) and has made me some really good friends that I wouldn't have otherwise met. My current boyfriend doesn't take part, he has his own hobby, but he doesn't see me as anything less than anyone else. His family accept me and we are more than happy together. If things don't work out with us, I can move on or possibly (this part might be hard for some of you to grasp, hang on to your top hats and monicles guys) LIVE ON MY OWN! ("oh, shock horror" I hear you cry, "but she is a mere girl. Without the financial support of a man, however is that possible?") I admit that I would like children and a partner to settle with but there is more to life than that. There is also a whole lot of men out there that would rather have an interesting wife with a range of hobbies rather than one "above the level of the type of activity" to participate in exciting things. Well I suppose cooking, cleaning is interesting to some people... sort of...

    One more thing Pastyti, what was the point of you spending all that money sending your girls to the best schools around and to get a degree when you have reared them to become 'good housewives'? Wouldn't you have been better sending them to some sort of cooking/cleaning/child bearing classes? :rolleyes: p.s. noone is better than me, or anyone for that matter. All parents think their kids are the best, and just so you know, I doubt your kids are anything spectacular.


    Laura
     
  4. Drunken Miss Ho

    Drunken Miss Ho New Member

    I think it's similar to having your daughter play a mean piano and speak fluent french back in 1850.
     
  5. Sgt_Major

    Sgt_Major Ex Global Mod Supporter

    Just to add more work for KC when moving threads ;) (I know ya love me really KC ) :p

    Pastyti

    How would you feel if your daughters/sons played to your wishes until you died, then your sons went out got a 1000cc Ducati and joined the army, killed himself in a week living it 'large' the way he wants, but you wouldnt let him....... or your daughters fancied a guy who wasnt there for a "Touch my daughter, I'll break your legs" chat and got beat up cos he liked it 'rough' .....


    By denying your children to chance to make their own mistakes your not looking after them and keeping them safe...... your hoarding the damage/ potential harm til after your dead.

    And by way of your parenting skills ..... you sound like King Lear.
     
  6. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member


    It is more than obvious that you have issues with women in the martial arts.

    How can you say you don't when you say your daughters are "better than that", "above that level of activity", "demeaning to social circle and their femininity"....

    Oh I more than see where you are coming from! :bang:

    And on a personal note ... I surely do not appreciate you telling me I look "juvenile" ...
     
  7. Scarlet Mist

    Scarlet Mist Banned Banned

    Man, I'd hate to be your child.
    My dad and mom brought me up to be involved in sports, work hard mentally and physically, go out and come back late in the morning, date girls and what not.
     
  8. aikiwolfie

    aikiwolfie ... Supporter

    Isn't it true that what you really want to say is that you were reguarly beaten at school as a grown adult by the little girls and that is why you do not want your little darlings learning martial arts.

    If Abi Titmus (a member of the so called upper class) can do home made porn, your girls can get involved in martial arts and while they're at it get a job.

    Sorry to burst the bubble that protects your little perfect world. This is the 21st century not the 1800s. The womens lib movement has been and gone and now women have the right to vote, hold down a job and do martial arts while dealing with the shopping, ironing and raising the kids. Destiny isn't handed down to anybody but the brainless and useless these days. I'm pretty sure your kids will eventually figure that out.

    Would you like your daughters to be another Abi or live in the real world with us slobs. :bang:
     
  9. neryo_tkd

    neryo_tkd Valued Member

    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
     
  10. Freeform

    Freeform Fully operational War-Pig Supporter

    Social Standing :eek:

    Hear yea! Here yea!

    The 18th century attitudes doth make their return!


    People should be allowed to do whatever they want, so long as it does not negatively affect other people. Harming your, to me, unfathomable belief system doesn't cut the mustard compared to the damage you may be doing to the social development of your children.

    Let them live, let them learn, and don't allow them to become damaged people because you've tried to 'protect' them.
     
  11. Kinjiro Tsukasa

    Kinjiro Tsukasa I'm hungry; got troll? Supporter

    "better than that"? "above the level of that type of activity"?

    Thank you, Pastyti; you have just insulted every member of this forum. :rolleyes:

    I only hope you realize that any filial respect you purchase by dangling an inheritance over your children will be superficial in nature, and will end the day you pass from this earth.
     
  12. manchesterdojo

    manchesterdojo Valued Member

    I cannot believe I am reading this misogynistic nonsense on this forum. Has anyone asked Pastyti what his martial involvement is. He has stated 20 years but not mentioned in what capacity. It is obvious he has learnt nothing from martial arts experience.

    I would be saddened if my children grew up to be so easily bribed. It would demonstrate a huge lack of integrity in them and a massive failing in their moral upbringing.

    In my time I have done things that my parents did not want me to do, some have taught me the valuable lesson that my parents were right, but others have proved they could also be wrong and provided me with life changing experiences. From these negative and positive experiences I have learnt how to make choices and recognise good ones from bad ones. If you do not allow your children to do this how will they ever learn to be self reliant?

    I learnt my martial art from both male and female instructors and have equal respect for both. Now, I hope that my classes cater for both sexes equally and that both are treated the same inside and outside of the dojo. I look forward to seeing how this thread pans out!
     
  13. shotokanwarrior

    shotokanwarrior I am the One

    Hello guys, it's me...look i really think i was too harsh. i can be melodramatic sometimes...it's got me in crap. so can we forget the thing?
     
  14. Drunken Miss Ho

    Drunken Miss Ho New Member

    Forget what thing? The shirtless male thing? We've long forgotten that. Now it's all about debating whether women have souls or not. This thread has become very 17th century in your absence. So please, join in! :D
     
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  15. creamcheese

    creamcheese New Member

    Waaaiiittt aaa mmiinnuuttee...........................Where have I landed, on what planet...................
    Children, people, being bribed with money, inheritances............this can't be happening!!
    When I was younger I had a Motorbike (a big one). My parents went on at me from morning until night not to get it, get rid of it, it's DANGEROUS. They were right, it is dangerous. I even once came flying off taking a sharp bend too fast. But I would not have changed it for the world. Now, I have 7 children of my own (now grown up) and 9 grandchildren (last count). I love them all dearly and I always tell them to take care of themselves no matter what. But, I could never stoop so low as to bribe them with finances. That is really overboard. Remember, nobody requests to be born. If our children want to be boxers, martial artists, Skiing down mountain slopes, climbing mountains, or whatever, if they really want to do it, I think a parent should give them their full support. After all, we are not talking about letting our loved ones take Heroin and Cocaine (that's a different matter). We live in a dangerous world, I could step out tomorrow and get run over and killed, or get a heart attack or whatever. I believe to a certain point that everyone has their time. I believe G-d gives life and takes life. I am not suggesting everyone think like me in that respect but no person has the right to take life from another and that is exactly what a parent does when they bribe family members with pounds and dollars. If anyone would say to me "give up Kung Fu and you will be free of financial worries for the rest of your life", I would tell them where to stick their money and would rather live out my days in dire poverty and be true to myself. No hard feelings though. Everyone is free to do as they please, but remember - there are always consequences to such actions.
     
  16. shotokanwarrior

    shotokanwarrior I am the One

    Sure!

    Oh Christ Pastyti... can't believe you. Why don't you get over the fact that your children are HUMAN BEINGS, not material possessions. And don't give me any of your 'no respect' crap. Being an adult does not mean you are always right. Why should they do what you 'request' when they are old enough to make their own decisions? It's not protection, it's coercion.

    Hey look, I can see public disembowelment going on in the background *goes over for a closer look to sate her gory fascination*
     
  17. Melanie

    Melanie Bend the rules somewhat.. Supporter

    Can we all remember that ALL opinions are welcome on this forum. We may not agree with it, but as long as each debate is held intelligently and responded in such a way, this thread will remain open longer. Please remember, we all have different background and experiences, be open-minded, more tolerant of others beliefs.

    Please note that arguing with as many people as possible in one thread is not clever, but virtually troll like. If you want your opinion considered speak as you would wish to be spoken too. Sweeping statements do not make for a responsible debate.

    Thank you :)
     
  18. Colucci

    Colucci My buddies call me Chris.

    What, do you have ponies daughters? That one line makes it pretty difficult to judge in any but one way...low class, not to mention misogynistic, as has been said. Sorry to say, bro, but you're not coming off half as enlightened as you might hope.


    Since I'm fairly certain the beating have stopped, why, if at all, do you continue training in such a "demeaning" activity? Would you rather not lead by example, even though you may have sullied your younger reputation?
     
  19. ttamgirl

    ttamgirl New Member


    women are just like everyone else. why does it matter?
     
  20. Drunken Miss Ho

    Drunken Miss Ho New Member

    Well, it might be nice to think that, but women do have unique concerns in the martial arts. The fact is, men greatly outnumber women in the MA's. Many Dojos, Kwoons, etc. can seem very intimidating or male centered to some women. Women have unique self defense concerns, like rape prevention, etc. And women might have family like that discussed above, that would forbid them to parctice MA simply because they are women. Also, women tend to gravitate towards some arts more than others, like TKD, but not so much grappling arts. I think ICT merely wanted to hear our views on these matters.
     

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