Woman gets beaten in her own home by burglar

Why would the criminal allow you to run and call the police... If you can't stop him yourself, you should do what he says. There won't be time to call the police and by the time they get there, he'll probably have gone.

 

if you can, you have to escape. doing what the intruder says is very, very bad. why would someone order you to do something when they've got a weapon pointed at you or a loved one, if not take yours and their life? at the very least, the timer is now running (because the police are coming in the criminal's mind) if you escape.

 

Why would you think a killer isn't also a liar?

 

If the guys got a gun to my wife's head (or any other persons head) then they're probably gonna be quite jumpy. If he hasn't seen you yet or doesn't know you're then by all means call the police. But if you're in a situation where you're close enough to him that you might have to fight him, then I really don't think there would be enough time to call the police before he shoots you or your wife.

Fusen: If he's ordering to do something then there are only really two choices:
- Comply, after all, the only thing he really wants here is money.
- Resist, in which case you're probably going to have to fight him (which I think has already been decided that it's a bad idea if he's pointing a gun at you...)

 

I never said I would shoot around my Wife, nor would I attempt to do so. I'd have to stand my ground and let him understand that if he shoots her, that he will die if he does... so if he wants to put down HIS gun, then i'll let him go. However, I will not abandon my Wife and do something that someone else tells me to do in that situation. Fear or no fear ... it makes no difference to me. I don't mind if I die in the situation, but he's not going to kill both of us because of me putting down my gun. I'm sorry, but I think that's a foolish way of looking at it.

 

Wow. This thread has entered crazy town.

 

In psychological terms he wants out and you need to do everything you can to facilitate him leaving. Ultimatums are not a good idea at all, especially as you have no tactical communication background. There is a reason that you and your wife in this scenario are currently not dead - you have to find it.

"Just shoot him" is also never that simple - if you could read the early post when I mentioned Grossman's book you my have ha a chance to expand your horizons and knowledge level. Most people keep playing at self protection which is why "a gun would stop this happening" as a statement is more than a little naive

 

Oh wait I'm on ignore right? Ah we'll at least someone else may get something from it...

 

What happens if she uses her for a shield, then shoots you first?


or if none of this happens and you accidentally shoot your wife by mistake, which is far more likely.

 

you might call it foolish. i call it survival.

 

If he's just looking to make some cash he won't want to kill you and your wife. If he's some psycho out to kill people, he's going to want to kill you and your wife.

So the way I see it there are four basic (very basic) ways in could play out:

1. He wants some cash. You put your gun down. He takes your stuff and you both get to live

2. He wants some cash. You don't put your gun down. Somebody ends up dead, it could be you, your wife, or the criminal.

3. He wants to kill you. You put your gun down. You and your wife die.

4. He wants to kill you. You don't put your gun down. Your wife dies, and either you or the criminal dies.

So in the cases where you don't put your gun down, somebody is likely to get killed. If you put your gun down, there is a slim chance that you will get killed (but what's more likely, he wants some cash or he's a crazy nutter...)

 

Simon, I understand what you are saying, but as we have had this discussion before you know that I am well aware of my local laws when it comes to the "castle doctrine" and what my limits are. I can shoot him and drop him without penalty if he dies on the first hit, then he dies. If I get him in the leg and he drops his weapon, or I see he has none, I cannot continue to shoot him with 147 grain HST +p's (better to overdo it) as that would be considered excessive force. If he's hyped on meth or something else and I have to hit him with the whole clip... that's what i'll have to do.

Perhaps I am jumping the gun (no pun intended) but I know very well that this isn't TV or the movies. There's no need to make that assumption that I am trying to be Judge Dredd or whoever else. What I said is genuinely how I feel. For obvious reasons, I do not fear death, so like I said. If I have to die in the process of my Wife and child being safe that's ok. They will be fine and they will be alive.

 

read the 'tactical realities' section...

http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf

 

Stress decreases fine motor skills everytime in everyone - draw your own conclusions from that

One reason we put so much time in at the range and in scenarios is precisely becausenfnteh stress associated with firing under pressure. The reason we spend so much time on mental prep is so we can be prepared to kill someone should it be needed. The reason we spend so much time on tactical communications is so we don't have to if it isn't necessary. Basic training is six solid months and it is only the start I career long training and refreshers.

Simply buying a gun and walking around with it is not enough anymore than buying a car means you can drive or buying a Le Creut set makes you a chef

 

Yes lots. I have (thankfully) never shot anyone yet, but there have been many times when the finger was on the trigger and the "slack" was off. The most striking was one that I didn't even see the assailant - a colleague and myself were shot at from an unknown location as we were talking to a member of the public. The adrenal response kicked in instantly but we fell back into training and almost in unison drew, scanned and swept whilst moving to cover. We sent the member of the public back inside, called it in and made a recon of the immediate area.

We never found anything and suspect it was a .22 fired from a nearby high rise. It was pretty hairy.