Why The Religios God Cannot Exist

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by Dempsey Roll, Feb 5, 2008.

  1. Fire-quan

    Fire-quan Banned Banned


    Hi Dempsey Roll. Looks like you've been doing a lot of thinking on the subject - pat on the back!

    These arguments are very old - VERY old. There's a lot of reading you could do - like Bishop Berkley or Thomas Aquinas, but probablymore useful is to tryto understand that you can't fit everything in to logical boxes. By definition, some things like God, or even the spirits and magic of other cultures, aren't inside your logical structures - your rules don't apply.

    That seems wrong, because logic seems like the perfect way to understand the world - you might like Bertrand Russel, and then Wittgenstein - but logical concusions are themselves artificial constructions - artificial rule sets, which we build, and so create our own meaning sets which make sense "inside" the box, but no where esle.

    As a general counter idea to what you say, though, have you considered the idea that God didn't want to create a world of puppets, but a world where there truly was free will - i.e. that He takes a bit of a stand back position, allowing humans to follow their own destiny, and that that in itself doesn't necessarily negate the idea that he could be all good? Maybe it's "more good" that he allows us free will and destiny than inteferes? And who gets to measure which good is the goodest?

    Also worth noting is Wittgenstein's dictum that all philosophical questions are ultimately tautological. "If God knows everything then how could we have free will?" That kind of thing - ultimately, they're just word games, confusing us via the un-sophistication of our normal language use. Remember, we use linguistic rules developed by cave men - and we try to use them to unlock the deepest of philosophical conundrums. Or, in most cases, we use them to create them in the first place.

    Good luck with your thinking!
     

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