Gary, you seriously need to read more carefully. He said it's NOT any better even though it's done faster. ********************* "Then" and not "than" got me confused, must be to far away from the computer Need to look and see the difference in the word and the definition You mean others are reading good as in the links and the other informationHmmm could have fooled me. The real reason for the "seriously" is ??? as in better "then" NEED, on its own or "than" you are doing? Little print and "aeiou" hmmm...Picky, picky. What if it read thin, thun, thon, then or than. Would it matter? No...he is still maketing something that is just bad body mechanics. And very bad to watch for those who are so opinionated in BJJ as the only bestest in the land. Right... :google: rules in this day and age, what was before it ??? Now all else is no good?