Continuing this thread from the derail of the Hui thread http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1382679#post1382679 --------------------------------- I was making an example. I don't know of the training style of those Grandmasters so I can't comment. I do know that my point wasn't that GM Harper is the only good GM, but that if he never was promoted to GM, or was even ostracized from the main group of GM players who could promote him, would that take away from his instructing credentials? You can replace GM Harper with any other GM you can think of. I was just using a personal example of someone I'd love to train with so that we could stop with all the hypotheticals. Not really, as I'm too new to the Ohana to know of all the qualified people who have had a falling out of their instructor, and have essentially been "kicked out" of Kajukenbo, with no way to progress without kissing some major rear of someone who also happens to dislike their former instructor enough. Incorrect. You seem hung up on this whole instructor imparting the wisdom of the ancients upon you that plagues every crappy TMA art in existence. The Sensei-idol worship. Advancement doesn't come from mimicking moves, it comes from seasoning forged out of experience with the moves you do know. That is what separates a white from a green belt, and a green from a black belt, and a 1st dan from a 5th. They say in Jiu-Jitsu that a purple belt knows all the same moves as a black belt. But the difference between a purple and a brown, and a brown and a black is simply timing, experience, and seasoning. If I held a purple belt in BJJ, I'd hate to go to another gym and then begin learning how to guard pass again with the white belts, or even worse learning an antiquated move such as the "Gracie Gift" due to the school being a more traditional GJJ place, just to keep my rank respected, and possibly promoted. Sorry, those of us who actually train, tend to have our belts loosen up and sag. I'll have to remember to buy a stapler and permanently affix it to my gi.