why do people like Chael Sonnen

Discussion in 'MMA' started by roninmaster, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    couldn't of said it better myself slip.

    I'm sorry I guess I'm old fashion in the since that i like my fav athletes to have some sportsmanship.

    everyone likes a grudge match and they sell fights but has anyone ever in the history of the sport said the things this guy does? Some of the biggest grudge matches I can remember were nothing more then "I dislike this guy for this personal reason and now I will beat him up for it"

    Evans vs rampage
    Evans vs Jones
    Shamrock vs. ortiz
    Lesner vs. Mir
    ortiz vs. liddel


    What I don't like about sonnen is simply his disrespect of the sport, the cultures, & other athletes. and people think its hilarious, and asumes he's joking.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but i seem to recall after the first fight with him and silva how he kept going on about how much he believes and means everything he says and hates when fighter simply say things to hype fights. So though everyone keeps saying "oh its just a joke" He says its the exact opposite. so who are you to believe, people? or the man himself?

    and another thing.. as mentioned by slip i don't understand how the man with money laundering charges, and who was illegally juicing, can call any fighter out as a charlatan, or cheat.

    I keep wondering how funny he will be if drops an N word on stage. because in my mind he's a step away, and has already almost equal disrespect to country of Brazil. why I don't get here is the parallels many people don't seem to get or acknowledge between how he goes about and how other people go about. People of Hispanic culture were furious at the small almost insignificant comments Lesner made about "drinking tequilla and eating a burrito to celebrate Velsaques's culture." but sonnen runs his mouth and "oh its all in good fun" I ask again since when in this day and age have we found being a troll socially acceptable?

    we agree chael is basically trolling.we ban people when they do it here because its annoying and insulting. I've even sene people on MAP say similar things then to what he's saying. and they are now gone. So why do people find his trolling so funny?

    Look i consider myself to have a pretty dark since of humor. patton oswald, Louis CK, george Carlin. I know dark comedy, and i find almost none( minus the hiphop) of his antics entertaining. Neither am I fan of jim rome and there tag team duo on his show. this may be my personal flavor but I simply don't find being butt-hole in every since of the word funny. maybe if its all in good fun, like when your ripping on your friends, but nothing to this degree.


    anyway I think I've gotten my answer.
    • People want to see silva lose because they want proof its doable
    • people find chaels bigot remarks funny, like a when your five year old starts screaming curse words that he heard you say.

    p.s. Since I was on the topic of comedians.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZneT3MbZgsI"]mitch hedberg and the ducks - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. Knoxy

    Knoxy Undisputed and Undefeated

    Are you telling me a BJJ black belt predicted that he would submit a guy who has never been conventionally (T)KO'd (Stopped by cuts and corner stoppage due to a rib being dislocated) and has perhaps one of the one worst records in the UFC in regards to submission losses.

    Call me a skeptic but Silva didn't quite pull off a Nostradamus there did he.

    On the other hand Sonnen predicted a one sided pounding with him swinging the hammer. That was pretty true too.

    Or the Illusion of sportsmanship, lets be honest how much do you really know about a guy watching him compete, his interviews etc. Didn't people talk about how great a role model Tiger woods is and then there was that whole incident with all those women. Anderson Silva didn't show much sportsmanship to Maia did he?

    Personally I have nothing against Anderson but it's a bit of a double standard.

    I'm going to take an excerpt from 'The voice of reason a VIP to enlightenment' which really explains Sonnen's whole act

    "My crazy Irish friend's even crazier Irish father always says that you should be able to tell the truth so outlandishly that it comes of like a lie, and then tell lies with a straight face so they have to believe you. I don't know if i would go so far as to agree with him, but he's absolutely right. (See what i did there of course you didn't"

    Pretty poor example seen as his boxing coach is black, and he's also said good stuff about Jon Jones.

    And that's fine that you don't like Sonnen's work but you don't have to try to defame those who do.

    Did you forget to include that some people may actually like his fighting style, remember when I posted a bit of an analysis earlier.

    Also bear in mind Chael Sonnen has a Brazilian fan club.
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2012
  3. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    1.) tiger woods and is scandal with women is a poor example. if tiger woods talked in and out of press conferences of how he was going to belittle his opponents to the point chael did then that'd be a better example. on the field and off he shows nothing but sportsmanship. no question asked. What he does with his relationship is a different story. I'm say sportsmanship not not sainthood.

    2.) i understand his boxing coach is black but what I'm getting at is how funny his antics are when they're aimed at a completely different group of people. I wonder what the response would be if he said the things he did about lets say the hispanic culture for example.( ex. "Cain velsaquez and the mexicans are playing in the mud" hmmm I think there would be a much different response.)

    3.) I will admit the Maia performance was disrespectful to the point he deserves to fight someone who won't just bend to his whim. and i"ve completely be honest with how i felt chael can fight well, albet one dimensional, but well.

    4.) chael having a brazilian fan club means little of anything really. people will root for who the feel for rooting for.

    people like how he fights- is also added to the list.
     
  4. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    also to be completely honest. I kinda think Chael might take him on emotions alone. I'm a silva fan but with what I've seen and read. Sonnen brought in top level ADCC jiujitsu guys to better his sub defense. versus silva who to my knowledge hasn't brought in top level wrestlers. why? I have no idea. then there is also the fact that defending takedowns is much harder then defending submissions. Especially of this caliber. Then of course the there is the issue of chael getting underneath his skin with the talks about his family.(but again, you know,he's just messing around.)

    So i'm hesitant to bet on him. yet i don't want to bet against him for fast he can finish a fight. I'm going in more neutral with hopes of silva.
     
  5. Knoxy

    Knoxy Undisputed and Undefeated

    1) I understand that, I'm just saying how much do we really know about these people.

    2a) Well that's just speculating, if Sonnen said this about that guy. But he didn't, so it's irrelevant.

    2b) Also about the Brock-Cain eat a burrito incident. I don't think Cain was too annoyed, especially when he had some milk and a peanut butter jelly sandwich.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oB8tNpVDNo&t=330"]UFC Heavyweight Champion Cain Velasquez appears on George Lopez Tonight - YouTube[/ame]

    3) I'm not sure I understand what your saying there.

    4) It does mean some people see that Sonnen's just playing a character and they aren't offended.
     
  6. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    1.) yes we don't but regardless my comments was that i like athletes who show good sportsmanship. what they do in there personal lives is a different story.

    2.) yes that speculation but was trying to use it to illustrate my point.

    3.)chael fight good. me agree.

    4.) possible. some people like rooting for who is considered the bad guy. any analogy i could give to parallel the situation would seem overboard. But seeing as how even his book (which I only skimmed) combined with every interview has been "playing the character" either its him or the dude has some mad split personality.

    • he claims he is honest about his feelings in interviews
    • the only insight we have into how he feels is those interviews in which he goes crazy unless you know him
    • his book is trash talking-from what i read.
    • we just assume he's kidding

    trololoololol
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2012
  7. Knoxy

    Knoxy Undisputed and Undefeated

    1) Well if it's just trash talking maybe you haven't been paying attention to Silva recently, he's been saying a ton of stuff calling Sonnen a donkey, saying he will beat Sonnen so bad he won't have any teeth left, he'll never want to fight again.

    2) "If you don't see it you can't say it" - Chael Sonnen (stolen from Joe Rogan). Well you just associated Chael Sonnen with a negative action that he didn't even do. Look I can do the same remember that thing about Anderson and some dudes were gonna shoot Rafael Cordeiro. Well I could take that a few steps further too, "I keep wondering how great a representative of Honor and Discipline Anderson Silva will be if he does a drive by at team quest." See how ridiculous that is.

    4)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ceqiR22PI"]Chael talk's about his smack talking.....checks with his mom... - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBhVMSuBmtg"]Fight Camp Insider with Matt Serra - Chael Sonnen Episode - YouTube[/ame]
    Would be a good examples of real Chael

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytbPB6wRUkk"]Chael Sonnen`s Stone Cold Steve Austin "What?" Speech - YouTube[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcUMkkTcKNo"]Chael Sonnen UFC on FOX 2 news conference Rashad Evans - YouTube[/ame]
    Is the crazy hype pro-wrestling Chael

    Sometimes he does jump in and out like that:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjHCLcNDQqI"]Chael Sonnen and Joe Rogan, Full Podcast - YouTube[/ame]

    Sometimes he's making a point and has one of his Sonnenisms, most of this interview is pretty honest:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd_oBefEmH4"]Chael Sonnen says he feels horrible following UFC 109 - YouTube[/ame]

    He's like that in the post fight he's usually pretty complimentary to guys including Anderson.

    As for his book it depends on the chapter, I mean Jesus Christ the foreword is by Jesus Christ, the blub on the inside cover is crazy Chael. He has some chapters were he preaches his ideology: the Nixon one, The environment one and the film and music ones. He has the looney ones like the JC bit and the martial art bits (and I have studied Judo,Boxing and Karate. But he also has some real stuff in there too like his things on Santa, The one about his wrestling coach and his father.

    The reason a lot of his book is written in that style is what Chael says in the first interview and in his book. It's preparation and marketing and it earns him a lot of money.

    Furthermore Ronda Rousey and Chad Mendes have both said Chael isn't really like that.

    Super conclusion: It isn't bad guy vs good guy, Chael Sonnen isn't a gangster from West Linn and Anderson isn't the grand defender of martial arts. It's a fight between a guy with a wrestling based style vs a matrix-esque striker with dangerous Jiujistu. Nothing more.

    I will leave with the Chael video of the day:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mRqIe-JH-c"]UFC 148: Chael Sonnen disses Anderson Silva's manager, English skills - YouTube[/ame]
     
  8. Axelator

    Axelator Not called Alex.

    His latest one is hillarious.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh_eO2QoeCM"]UFC 148: The American Gangster - YouTube[/ame]
     
  9. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    1.) I can't blame silva for finally firing back after all thats been said to him, joking or not shots at peoples personal life ruffles feathers, and is kinda a low.

    2.) I admit my mistakes in my reasoning. point taken.

    4.)though i'm a silva fan, I admit my mistakes from watching the below video clips.

    knoxy you've changed my mind.

    though i still don't like tito...
     
  10. Killa_Gorillas

    Killa_Gorillas Banned Banned

    Fair play. Respect due. :star:
     
  11. roninmaster

    roninmaster be like water

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4reaV_95VKQ&feature=g-u-u"]UFC 148: Silva vs. Sonnen Weigh-In Highlight - YouTube[/ame]

    going to be one hell of a fight.

    I love how steven segal has to rush to get into camera view.lol

    problem though, is that silva is messed up in the head now. chael's acting like the calm and collective one we have known silva to usually be. well lets see what tomorow brings us.
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2012
  12. Brutal

    Brutal Banned Banned

    Ill tell you what it brings us...
    Winners:
    Silver,Ortiz,Cote,Maia,Mendez.

    Id really like to see Forest destroy Tito.
     
  13. Brutal

    Brutal Banned Banned

    [ame="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPRl8SCZZE&feature=related"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plPRl8SCZZE&feature=related[/ame]

    Always excited about a Cung Le fight. He is so good.
     
  14. Brutal

    Brutal Banned Banned

    [ame="http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nTiCw0vmY&feature=related"]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nTiCw0vmY&feature=related[/ame]
     
  15. ShadowHawk

    ShadowHawk Valued Member

    I CALLED IT
     
  16. Devildog2930

    Devildog2930 Teneo vestri ego.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYJ0kpNSB9U"]Chael Sonnen Wants Jon Jones? - YouTube[/ame]
    Another reason to like Sonnen - No excuses
     
  17. Oddsbodskins

    Oddsbodskins Troll hunter 2nd Class

    Well, if he always interviewed like that, then I doubt anyone would have any issues with him. Kudos for loosing with grace.
     

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