These two posts are related. Mark, yes you have made it work for you, that's fine, but the Anti-Kickers have some valid points, as most people do not pressure test what they do, be it kicking or whatever. High kicks make the user more vulnerable to the opponent than anything else though? For once tai-gip I agree, most pure WC people do not know how to deal with high kicks, as it isn't trained in their environment. Like you say however, I have done other things. Jumping Back Kick was my trademark at one time, though while I've not laid anyone out with one in the street (da street, da street), I have effectively used side kick/back kick combinations during an altercation with a couple of yobs not content with their evenings entertainment. It's not about styles or arts, or even about techniques as much as people. I do believe that this forum has succeeded in changing many peoples minds about a variety of subjects. Everything we do should be questioned and tested before being put forward as 'the way'. I don't find it very productive when someone just says such and such is crud. I'm more interested in how they come to such conclusions and how correct in their beliefs they are. So while we should always pressure test what we practice, the forum is a good place to pressure test our opinion. If everyone else is saying something different to you, maybe you're wrong?